Matyrdom of The BAB

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[balansarawak]

Dear friend, your views are misrepresenting the Baha'i Faith. Baha'is are not pacivists. It specifically says in the Baha'i writings that Baha'is are allowed to defend themselves. Also, the Baha'i Faith forbids homosexuality. The writings say that whilst we must show forebearance towards homosexuals, nevertheless homosexuality is a handicap that is not condoned and should be healed through therapy. In future, please read the writings before writing such comments.

[balansarawak]

"O followers of the Son! We have once again sent John unto you, and He, verily, hath cried out in the wilderness of the Bayán: O peoples of the world! Cleanse your eyes! The Day whereon ye can behold the Promised One and attain unto Him hath drawn nigh! O followers of the Gospel! Prepare the way! The Day of the advent of the Glorious Lord is at hand! Make ready to enter the Kingdom."

~Baha'u'llah

[balansarawak]

O followers of the Son! We have once again sent John unto you, and He, verily, hath cried out in the wilderness of the Bayán: O peoples of the world! Cleanse your eyes! The Day whereon ye can behold the Promised One and attain unto Him hath drawn nigh! O followers of the Gospel! Prepare the way! The Day of the advent of the Glorious Lord is at hand! Make ready to enter the Kingdom."

~Baha'u'llah

[balansarawak]

Every receptive soul who hath in this Day inhaled the fragrance of His garment and hath, with a pure heart, set his face towards the all-glorious Horizon is reckoned among the people of Baha in the Crimson Book. Grasp ye, in My Name, the chalice of My loving-kindness, drink then your fill in My glorious and wondrous remembrance.

[waiotahi52]

Have read the arguments for and against the Baha'i Faith, have read the Baha'i writings, will stick with the Faith. It makes sense of all the arguments.

[balansarawak]

I dont know about richbee2b's relligion or which of the 7000+ christian deno he comes from..but one thing my relligion teaches me that if one belittles another's Faith it is as if he is belittling his own Faith

[waiotahi52]

Mr flaws, these are the two corresponding statements

Your version #1"If he persists in what he has said, one who will have no mercy on him will be sent against him. He is the Strong in Punishment."

Kitab-i-Aqdas #2If, however, he persisteth in his error, God will, assuredly, send down one who will deal mercilessly with him. Terrible, indeed, is God in punishing!

I think they both get across the same idea.

[BookOfFlaws]

A typical line from the "Book of Laws" by the Baha'i founder:

"If he persists in what he has said, one who will have no mercy on him will be sent against him. He is the Strong in Punishment."

This is from the Elder-Miller translation. These are two orientalists and Arabic scholars of Oxford, England. One of them spent many years in Persia and was around the early Baha'is for their research. They had no agenda in translating and translated straight-forwardly, not trying to pretty it up.

[BookOfFlaws]

"The Baha'i writings are not Calvinistic and do not focus on punishment and sin."

On the contrary. I have been reading your "Book of Laws" tonight. "Calvinistic" is a great term to describe them, but it's way beyond that. Baha'u'llah's attitude is highly authoritarian, angry, and typically Islamic. "Whoever burns a house intentionally, burn him." Lots of "Beware lest..." and warnings about causing the "displeasure" God (or B-u-L).

Sin? It's all over the Aqdas. "Avoid every vile sinner"

[haklerherr]

What I can get from the Baha'i Writings is that there is to be no stoning to death for adultery or any like crime. If you must do something the couple can be fined and the fine can be continuously raised. But it is also left to the Universal House of Justice to decide what exactly the punishment will be for sins of the flesh. And currently in the United States you can loose your voting rights if you make it a community problem. The focus is not on punishment but being spiritual.