Ron Paul Speaks Out About Lincoln And The War For Southern Independence

Congressman Ron Paul Of Texas Speaks Out About Lincoln And The War For Southern Independence On The Morning Joe Show 12/27/07.

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[hashishclay]

Ron Paul droppin knowledge once again on these dumb media whores....thats why Ab gave that famous speech "about fearing now even more than at war" cuz he realized what had happened aferwards....See how they twist his words Ron never said he STARTED the war he simply gave WHY it happened and Ab's view on slavery

[leviathanopolitan]

If ONLY we had let the South secede, and put a total ban on emigration from thereabouts forever after. America would be a prosperous, modern country living in peace with the rest of the world, and Dixieland would be the third world shithole they're so desperately trying to drag us all down into.

[lumberg48108]

@Zachmozach Not me - I understand who played the roles and why things happened, to some degree. But I think they old school notion that "Lincoln freed the slaves" does not need to be taught and a healthy discussion of what could or could not have been done to avoid the war should be held. We have that same discussion now regardiung Iraq - why not the Civil War. It is also a fatc that every western country abolished slavery w/o a war.

[Zachmozach]

@hashishclay It's not all about slavery and I didn't say that. The reason South Carolina seceded was because of slavery. They stated this themselves as I previously pointed out. What should Lincoln have done in response to secession? Offer to buy slaves in order to emancipate them after they had seceded from a perceived threat to end slavery? If your argument is that secession should have been allowed then you can argue that, but how about you read a book on argument first?

[Zachmozach]

@hashishclay I've told you to look at the reasons for secession. The reason given by South Carolina was because of failure to return fugitive slaves as well as their view that the north with Lincoln as president would adopt anti-slavery legislation. They saw it as a threat to slavery and seceded. Lincoln entered the war to preserve the union as you have stated. You're straw man arguments and ad hominem attacks are weak.

[hashishclay]

@Zachmozach you have a very skewed version and dont know of the ties of the north and lincoln to the banking cabal...your a shill with no independent thought and cant get over the fact that war wasn ALL ABOUT SLAVERY AND THATS IT...lol read a book

[hashishclay]

@Zachmozach your an idiot most countries besides very very very small ones are made up of states/provinces.your the one missing the point see i cite actual evidence and Lincolns personal quotes and rhetoric ..you keep spouting a skewed maintstream version of history that you learned in highschool..one minute you the north wasnt upholding the fugitive act now you the south seceded because the returned fugitive slaves?? and your just plain wrong

[Zachmozach]

It should be known that Lincoln had a plan to gradually emancipate slaves with compensation but it was rejected by all but the district of Columbia. His proclamation came only after the south had seceded because they feared an end to the institution of slavery and then attacked Fort Sumter and took control of other federal forts. Lincoln himself thought that his hand on this issue had become forced and it was the only way to preserve the union at this point. Paul doesn't seem to get this.

[Zachmozach]

@lumberg48108 The 600k died to preserve the union. Why did the south secede? They felt slavery as an institution was being threatened. So the possibility to say buy the slaves freedom from slave owners was not a possibility and it's a joke. They seceded to stop any attempt by the federal government to free slaves or stop slavery. Revisionist historians have tried to lessen the south's responsibility in the war for quite sometime and it's based in myth.

[Zachmozach]

@hashishclay Tell me which of these other countries you have listed where considered nations within in a nation or a union of nations? It seems to me that you're missing the point. The south seceded because they deemed that the northern states were not upholding their duties as stated in the constitution and returning fugitive slaves and a perceived threat to slavery and its expansion. This was the cause of the disunion. The north then entered to keep the union.

[Zachmozach]

@hashishclay So you disagree with paul then on this then? Paul stated and defended that there were better ways of getting rid of slavery than going to war, but as you and I know obviously the union was going to war to preserve the union. They did this in reaction to secession of Southern states and the attack of Fort Sumter, after which Lincoln raised a militia to put down what he viewed as a treason.