Are We Merely Born Into Our Religion? (Dawkins Fail #1) [Also, why 5thWatcher is a Christian.]

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According to Richard Dawkins in "The God Delusion", Christians are merely Christians because we were born in a traditionally Christian nation. If we were born in Inda, we'd be Hindu, he says. In this video, I adress why that is not always the case, even for those who were born and remain Christian, and use myself as an example in that way and one other important way to prove we are not just products of our environment.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism

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[Snakepliskinist]

I choose to believe what I was told to believe. After long, hard consideration the merits of what I was taught outweigh the merits of all the things everyone else believes. Do you hear yourself? You are ridulous. You might even have a feeble argument if you were Hindu, but you currently posess the exact religion pervasive in your region. You believe the very thing your parents taught you. How many more ways can I say you are ridiculous?

[5thWatcher]

@Snakepliskinist I don not believe the very thing my parents taught me. There's more than one brand of Christianity.

[billmaher4tw]

@5thwatcher It's humorous that you assume every culture and country openly allows you to change yr mind on beliefs without complete ostracism or physical harm/punishment. Try daring to change yr belief system if you lived in north Korea or Afghanistan. For christs sake even yr background in studying art wouldn't have been allowed if you lived in a Muslim state much less openly read or discuss other belief systems. Comprehend generalization based off of common knowledge. No degrees needed.

[5thWatcher]

@billmaher4tw Laws don't effect free will. And even when laws like that do deter people, they don;t deter all people, and that a special senario. 

[lebeaubastion]

The reality is, as Dawkins presents, is depending on the area and culture you are born into, the likelihood is, you will be that faith. You will be indoctrinated into it, regardless of what it is. Though you may change your mind in older years, that is what you generally are taught when you are young. I don't see a discrepancy with this. It is statistically proven. Most do not leave their faith due to fear of being ostracized , or cast out of their cultures/families

[5thWatcher]

@lebeaubastion I'm not denying it happens I am questioning how meaningful that really is.

[TheoryOfThought]

@5thWatcher I think it would be meaningful if you had 10,000 christian people defending creationist delusions just because they happened to be born into an area that believes it. Or 10,000 islamic people mistreating women because they were born in the middle east. Of course there are exceptions, but people tend to speak about the millions who follow the rule as opposed to the hundred who don't.

On that note, why do you call it a "dawkin's fail" if you agree it happens?

[KryptikMuzikMadnezz]

@Snakepliskinist (cont)So it doesnt matter if 5th Watchers parents "ate" Christianity or any other variant copy and then "fed" it to him which explains his current Christian worldview. This type of argument has nothing to do with the truth or validity of a belief system. This logic is flawed right out the gate.

[KryptikMuzikMadnezz]

@Snakepliskinist Dawkins point and the point you seem to be arguing here is a moot one. This is nothing more than a classic example of a genetic fallacy. Dawkins is basically saying that sinse you can explain how a belief arose, therfore the belief is false.

[Snakepliskinist]

@5thWatcher The point being that if any one religion had a better factual basis than all others, it would spread like wildfire. That doesn't happen because no religion, as a matter of definition, is of a factual nature. It is a fully formed framework of belief and ritual behavior that is culturally transmitted, and for this reason most people's religion is a reflection of the culture into which they were born. All religions are crap, so you chose the crap that's familiar.

[Snakepliskinist]

@5thWatcher Big whoop. You got a slightly different copy of the same thing. That slight difference is your "individuality." Hundreds of religions exist, and yet you just so happen to believe in a variation of what you were taught. It's like this: if you lived in China you would probably eat Chinese food. It wouldn't be exactly what your parents ate, nor would it necessarily be exactly the same as what anyone else ate. But it would still be Chinese food.

[ebonmaskarade77]

@5thWatcher And your question is bogus. Clearly your religion, whoever you are doesn't have any special pull to it. People convert away from it just like they convert in. and in the rise of atheism that's occurring more people aren't coming in. Congrats on being a rebel and all that but so called "special cases" don't just destroy the rule. Who knows why jumped branches, but it's not like you represent some hidden truth of humanity.

[Waredwr]

@ajhrockerboy6 Dawkins' point is one that has to do with probability, you missed the boat in terms of what he's saying. And you also miss out on evolution and reproduction, everything started out from single celled organisms, which in term became more complex when the situation allowed, allowing for processes such as replication, which led to complex life. This took BILLIONS of years to accomplish, but you if want to believe in the young earth creationist crap thump your bible away sir.

[b1rdn05]

@5thWatcher It has nothing to do with laws. It has to do with family and social dynamics. I was raised a fundamental baptist. Put yourself in my shoes and tell your parents that you are atheist. You have no idea how pressured people are into their religious status. Also, when it comes to other religions it is much less tolerable to deter from those beliefs.