Does John 3:16 Refute Calvinism? (1of3)

People who don't believe that God chose people to be saved before the foundation of the world not based on anything they had done good or bad usually appeal to John 3:16 for their case. Does John 3:16 really teach that Jesus died for the entire world? Well, in a sense, yes, and, in a sense, no. Watch the video to find out.


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• john
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• universalism
• calvinism
• arminianism
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• election

[Keruaran]

@SUNDAYSCHOOLTEACHER

Exactly.

[lessingtom]

@live4pce

I assume that you are not a Christian and yet you seem to have more savvy than the Calvinists themselves. Did you know that this is what the Bible teaches? Jesus said: And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light. [Luk 16:8]. I'm not so sure that Calvinists are children of light. [Isa 8:20]

[lessingtom]

@Seth4foor

Why would a loving God make the doctrine of salvation so difficult to understand that it makes very little or no sense? What did Jesus mean when He said: "You shall know the Truth and the Truth will make you free?" Was He lying? Calvinism's God is a God of confusion and cruel dichotomies. The God of the Bible is NOT!

[lessingtom]

@cesar1431

What is Arminianism? Nothing other than feeling encouraged to assume that your righteosuness has led you to seek and choose for the Lord ... how mistaken is that approach ...

I am not an Armenian and neither a Calvinist. It is not one's righteousness that leads you to seek the Lord. Where did you get that silly idea. Only those who are sick will go to a doctor, meaning that only those who realize they have no righteousness of their own will seek Him. Isn't that what Jesus said?

[lessingtom]

" Does John 3:16 really teach that Jesus died for the entire world? Well, in a sense, yes, and, in a sense, no. Watch the video to find out."

Are there two different death-senses? One for the elect and another for the non-elect? I suppose the one for the elect is based on the fact they they alone are lost sinners. If Jesus meant what He said when He said that He came to seek and to save the lost, then only the elect are lost because they alone are saved .

[lessingtom]

1 John 5:19 obviously does not mean that every single person (including the elect) are under the control of the devil. It simply means that the entire worldly system of politics and government are under his control. That's why Jesus said: "My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence (John 18:36). His governmental system is entirely different.

[lessingtom]

I would invite this guy anytime to explain the meaning of "world" in John 3:16 to my grade 1 Sunday School class. He presents God's exclusionary and selective love with so much compassion that he has inspired me to convey his divine wisdom to my class. I'm going to tell them "Some of you little critters are part of the world and some of you are not. To those of you who are not I have some bad news. God does not love you and his Son never died for you.

[cesar1431]

Ohhh my beloved Arminians ... the doctrines do hurt when the Holy Spirit does not grant understanding .. What is Calvinism? Nothing other than the exposition of biblical doctrines that makes you realize how incapable you are to reach God and how gracious God is to have reached me ... What is Arminianism? Nothing other than feeling encouraged to assume that your righteosuness has led you to seek and choose for the Lord ... how mistaken is that approach ...

[SUNDAYSCHOOLTEACHER]

The great commission: Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel, making disciples of all nations.

Parable of the sower: sow your seed (God's word) everywhere

Election /selection is God's business not ours so dont waste time trying to figure it out.