Copenhagen and capitalism

Minqi Li: No legally binding agreement the result of elites seeking short term profits first

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[TumisHumis]

Communism is the best *Idea* ever, but it will be nothing more than an idea.

[madbillt66]

What a load of bollocks ! the data does not prove anthropogenic global warming, invest in Al's companies NOW !

[greyflcn]

@nly8nchz

Well the trick with heat storage is that you can run solarthermal power, at night

And only a "few hours" is plenty, if we're talking about a resource so massive

A small fraction of 1% is enough

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And serious though, I suggest you look up a bit on Jevons paradox

Pretty much the only way for increased efficiency to also mean reduced consumption is if you also are increasing the price of the resource somehow.

And I don't see that being politically possible to do on a meaningful scale.

[greyflcn]

@nly8nchz

Well the problem with trying to solve everything with efficiency is Jevons paradox.

[greyflcn]

@nly8nchz

Except that dark matter energy may or may not even exist at all.

Now certainly you could say we should work on Fusion energy.

However frankly, the sun is a gigantic fusion reactor that we already have access to.

For instance, this solar energy figure is annual, everything else is total reserves

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That said, are you aware of the concept of a solar thermal steam turbine with heat storage?

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[westcoast1965]

This is where you're wrong. You're looking only at the limitation of pollution. Markets can and do value the preservation of wilderness. Hunting preserves would be an example as well as private conservation groups. The main idea is that only affluent comfortable societies will spend money to preserve the environment. Poor countries won't.

And of course some pollution laws are necessary - I just believe the AGW movement is a well-exposed scam

[greyflcn]

@westcoast1965

Markets can't value pollution, if there's no cost or restriction associated with it.

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[greyflcn]

@westcoast1965

Okay, well lets see if you can stump me with some of the science then?

Let's start off with, can you say anything against this direct empirical evidence of an increasing GHG induced greenhouse effect in the past 40 years?

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[greyflcn]

@ejbh3160

Well the catch of course, unless high cycle life storage mechanisms, like adiabatic compress air energy pan out.

Solar panels, and wind turbines aren't going to be worth much on a infrastructure level.

You need baseload, and dispatchability for that.

[greyflcn]

@nly8nchz

So would Solar steam turbines and geothermal be enough for our society?

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greyfalcon. net/ egs

Certainly I guess, international cargo ships, aviation, and military uses will continue to be fossil based.

However I don't really see much barrier to everything else.