Oneness vs Trinity (David Bernard vs James White 1/4)

Debating the Trinity

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[jiedialuren17]

@jcs0118 THE FATHER HAS GIVEN ALL THINGS TO THE SON, THE ONE HE PROPHESIZED,BEGOT,RAISED,ANOIN­TED,AND INDWELT, THE MYSTERY IS ABOUT GOD NAMELY CHRIST, WHO IS HIS IMAGE,SPOKE HIS WORDS,REVEALD HIS NAME,THE EXPRESSION OF HIS PERSON,HE REVEALED GOD AND WILL DECLARE HIM. PRESENT TENSE... THATS ONENESS.

[jiedialuren17]

James White said, Jesus had glory before the world was, then he later says Jesus emptyied this glory prior to the incarnation. You cant have glory before the incarnation and pray for the glory before the world was.James wants it both ways, yet its contradictoin, only as a man was he given the fathers glory, because he is the father existing as a man.

[JBoling33]

The wrong view: 4th century philosphers determine what the New Testament says and that cancels out the Old Testament revelation of God. Right View: The Old Testament must inform the new testament, and who cares what 4th century philosophers made up in a drunken brawl? Let God be true and every man a liar!

[JBoling33]

@MrHelowww1 you never answered my questions. I answered yours.

[JD2010CWS]

@JBoling33 Yes I understand, thanks for the info

[JD2010CWS]

@JBoling33 Yes I understand, thanks for the info

[MrHellowwww1]

@JBoling33 Oneness and Trinity are both one. The question is how is the one define. Oneness has to redefine God word to include Jesus, the Son of God or flesh where as the Trinity is literal. IE Jesus, the Son of God, said God forsaken in M28.19. Jesus knows God has left him, so who is Jesus at this point? 1. Empty of soul. 2. a man. 3 God. all with a God forsaken Jesus, the flesh or the Son of God, already.

[JBoling33]

@MrHellowwww1 You have a wrong view of Oneness. True Oneness believers believe in the duality of Christ. He was 100% man, 100% God. We believe the man Christ Jesus is the Son of God. The begotten son, who is the only God we will see in heaven. God is a Spirit, and Jesus Christ is His express image. So who is Jesus' father then? The Holy Spirit or the Father. Jesus says he's the son of the father, but Matthew one says the Holy Spirit conceived Mary. So which one's His real Dad?

[JBoling33]

@JD2010CWS you do understand that they crucified Jesus because he claimed to be God, the very father. They were enraged and wanted to stone him because when Jesus said he was glad to see abrahams day, then said before Abraham was, I am, or ego eimi, the same words YHWH used speaking to Moses in the burning bush. The Jews don't believe Jesus is God because they don't believe Jesus is the messiah. They understand the scriptures like Is. 43:11, to mean the messiah will be Jehovah come in flesh