Socialist Party GB - The Labour Government 1945-51 (pt1)

A filmed talk by the Socialist Party. 1st of four parts, c.8:45 mins each.
25th June 2005 - Friends Meeting House, Euston Road, London

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[rocksoliddude1]

after world war 2 pm clement and the labour party rebuilt a suffering british economy. clement was a great success.

[pfbcarlisle]

Wealth is created by the working classs, not by leaders.

[sheffieldsocialist]

The problem with the Socialist Party GB is that it lives in the past, Hence -GB!. It's too academic and has forgotten that Marxism is a guide to action. Part one is all criticism and forgets what fantasitic achievement it was for the Working Class for Labour to win in 1945!

New Labour is a capitalist party today and not worth joining.

[pfbcarlisle]

You're 'forgetting' that winning reforms within capitalism has nothing to do with socialism. Labour has always been a pro-capitalist party. Reforms gained can and have been lost. Improving conditions of slavery is not the same as abolishing slavery.

The Labour govt of 1945 stabilised capitalism. Yes, it's good that workers improved their conditions; and fight to defend and extend them. But it does not, and never can, establish socialism.

[rocksoliddude1]

they were a combination of socialism and capitalism, the socialist elements of nationalizing the industries, defending the working class from the suffering pure capitalism causes them was another socialist element. they gave welfare - socialism, an economy controlled by government - socialist. they were a combination of socialism and capitalism

[pfbcarlisle]

Nationalising industry has nothing at all to do with socialism. It's another form of capitalism. Workers are still obliged to sell their labour power. Socialism is not a set of policies within capitalism. Yes, it's better that our class gained certain protections, but these also helped to stabilise capitalism and make it more efficient.

[majorMcpharter]

Socialist society will have no need for silly little flags and coins,we can save a few to put in a museum.After all how can we buy back what is already ours??Checkmate comrade.

[majorMcpharter]

Socialist society will have no need for money.How can you buy what is already yours? we can save a few of their silly little flags and coins for a museum that is where they belong.Checkmate Comrade.

[otester]

@freddiemercerful

You mean profiting off of labor?

[freddiemercerful]

@otester Your confused, its called the abstraction of surplus value and it exists in capitalism not socialism.

The parasite capitalist class are the thieves. Its just an economic fact mate.

[otester]

Socialism is theft!

[freddiemercerful]

Socialism is the abolition of the wages system, the state and all its oppressive features. The question facing workers is simple; do you carry on pressing for reforms in your working conditions that can be easilly got rid of by any government and do nothing to end your life of servitude, or do you organise among yourselves to free yourselves from a system that exploites and degrades you into mere commoditty producers?

[antonjon1]

Labour, by bringing in the welfare State, destroyed the British work ethic, therefore creating the generation of chavs we have now.

[aaanonymoussss]

reformist tosh!

[lebudge68]

Please view Goverment Accused Of Betraying GURKHAS

[fluentinsound]

Labour wont get away with whoring britain away to islamic totalitarianism. They WILL face consequences