@Wlmitch1 To what end? The problem is habitat destruction and unless San Francisco is moved, that's not going to change. Captive breeding will not ensure the survival of the subspecies, it'll just turn it into another selectively inbred pet with no future. The best way to protect them, is by protecting the area where they still exist in the wild.
@SAsgarters Such a breeding program would A) make them more readily available to herpetoculturalists, and B) guarantee the re-introduction of some young specimens into the wild each year, should they ever disappear from the wild. I would suggest that the California DNR begin a breeding program for that very purpose, as Garter Snakes are very easy to breed. As the young are born alive, there are no eggs to cultivate.
@Wlmitch1 A. People who think they can earn a quick buck or think they need "new blood" in their collections will collect wild ones instead. And as the captive population increases in size, so does the demand for WC.
B. There's absolutely no point in releasing more of them into a habitat that can't can sustain a population anyway. It's a feel-good measure with no payoff. Very few situations can be improved by churning out more individuals and this case isn't one.
@SAsgarters I don't know what your protected wildlife laws are like in California, but here in Michigan, they're VERY strict. If you have a specimen of a protected species, you had best have the proper permits and the documentation proving how you acquired it. If you don't, you will be fined hundreds, or even thousands of dollars, and may even serve time in prison. As for release programs, are there no large, wooded parks or nature preserves within the San Francisco Garter Snake's range?
@Wlmitch1 They are very strict in the case of the SanFran garter, but that means absolutely squat. No law has ever prevented a person from breaking it.
The SanFran garter, as well as its prey species, depended on coastal wetlands and those are more or less wiped out by urbanisation. People are trying restore some ruined areas and if they succeed, these garters will recolonize those areas.
Perhaps it is time to start breeding San Francisco Garter Snakes in large numbers. Breeding them will insure the survival of the subspecies.
Wlmitch1 10 months ago
@Wlmitch1 To what end? The problem is habitat destruction and unless San Francisco is moved, that's not going to change. Captive breeding will not ensure the survival of the subspecies, it'll just turn it into another selectively inbred pet with no future. The best way to protect them, is by protecting the area where they still exist in the wild.
SAsgarters 10 months ago
@SAsgarters Such a breeding program would A) make them more readily available to herpetoculturalists, and B) guarantee the re-introduction of some young specimens into the wild each year, should they ever disappear from the wild. I would suggest that the California DNR begin a breeding program for that very purpose, as Garter Snakes are very easy to breed. As the young are born alive, there are no eggs to cultivate.
Wlmitch1 10 months ago
@Wlmitch1 A. People who think they can earn a quick buck or think they need "new blood" in their collections will collect wild ones instead. And as the captive population increases in size, so does the demand for WC.
B. There's absolutely no point in releasing more of them into a habitat that can't can sustain a population anyway. It's a feel-good measure with no payoff. Very few situations can be improved by churning out more individuals and this case isn't one.
SAsgarters 10 months ago
@SAsgarters I don't know what your protected wildlife laws are like in California, but here in Michigan, they're VERY strict. If you have a specimen of a protected species, you had best have the proper permits and the documentation proving how you acquired it. If you don't, you will be fined hundreds, or even thousands of dollars, and may even serve time in prison. As for release programs, are there no large, wooded parks or nature preserves within the San Francisco Garter Snake's range?
Wlmitch1 10 months ago
@Wlmitch1 They are very strict in the case of the SanFran garter, but that means absolutely squat. No law has ever prevented a person from breaking it.
The SanFran garter, as well as its prey species, depended on coastal wetlands and those are more or less wiped out by urbanisation. People are trying restore some ruined areas and if they succeed, these garters will recolonize those areas.
SAsgarters 10 months ago