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That is not the original Saddleback Tent...get your facts straight. The tent is Overdrive, a venue on the Saddleback campus. That was not a fund raiser, but the Overdrive venue...just like that every Sunday.
Saddleback has done more for the poor than probably any other church I know of. The civil forum was not Rick's idea, but that of the candidates. Take your gripe to the candidates...
For that, you would have to ask the church, or research for yourself. [considering you're the citizen "journalist"]
But from what I've read of it, they don't seem to include the bombing of countries nor a century long war. Although I suspect your government is already doing a good job at that on its own. Again, I more than welcome INTELLIGENT discussion on this matter. These criticism are here to help you, I'm not one of those people who criticise without reason.
3 - my guess is that most of Saddleback's congregation supported the war in Iraq and voted for George Bush (probably twice - 2000 and 2004), because, as you correctly point out, Orange County is wealthy/rich and Republican.
2 - I've done it on several occasion for a University report over here, and they were pretty nice about it. You'd be surprise at how nice some Christians are.
3 - I doubt everyone who adhere to the Christian religion all vote the same way, I don't think that can happen to a church of 23,000. Yes, OC is wealthy, and about 50% are Reps. Now, are these 50 saddleback members? Quite Possibly. Are there Democrats who goes to saddleback? Quite Possibly =)
2) Most of the Christians here are nasty and awful (most of them, particularly those in the South and are white) -
they like war and violence they support torture they hate foreigners (Mexicans esp.) and African Americans they hate homosexuals they couldn't care less about the poor..
1) I did, mostly for class projects, but it doesn't fit within the data limit of youtube. =)
2) That's interesting + horrible, and it's the exact opposite of what Christianity is supposed to be [I think]. =( I have many Christian friends over here from NZ, Australia, but some are American and are very nice ^^
3) Thank you for the correct information, I used the archive from OCvote, and my result of 55 percent was from the 2000 gen, but I went back and saw that 2004 was 60% Wow ^^
BTW you are wrong about Orange County - it is overwhelming Republican:
It voted Republican in the last 5 presidential elections
1988 Bush41 1992 Bush41 1996 Dole 2000 Bush 43 2004 Bush 43
Based on this record of Orange County voters, Saddleback Church is probably, at the least, 60% Republican; more likely - because it is an evangelical church - 75% to 80% Republican and conservative.
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Saddleback has done more for the poor than probably any other church I know of. The civil forum was not Rick's idea, but that of the candidates. Take your gripe to the candidates...
does it include bombing Iran??
or a 100 year war with Iraq?
But from what I've read of it, they don't seem to include the bombing of countries nor a century long war. Although I suspect your government is already doing a good job at that on its own. Again, I more than welcome INTELLIGENT discussion on this matter. These criticism are here to help you, I'm not one of those people who criticise without reason.
2 - asking the "church" is not really possible
3 - my guess is that most of Saddleback's congregation supported the war in Iraq and voted for George Bush (probably twice - 2000 and 2004), because, as you correctly point out, Orange County is wealthy/rich and Republican.
2 - I've done it on several occasion for a University report over here, and they were pretty nice about it. You'd be surprise at how nice some Christians are.
3 - I doubt everyone who adhere to the Christian religion all vote the same way, I don't think that can happen to a church of 23,000. Yes, OC is wealthy, and about 50% are Reps. Now, are these 50 saddleback members? Quite Possibly. Are there Democrats who goes to saddleback? Quite Possibly =)
2) Most of the Christians here are nasty and awful (most of them, particularly those in the South and are white) -
they like war and violence
they support torture
they hate foreigners (Mexicans esp.) and African Americans
they hate homosexuals
they couldn't care less about the poor..
:)
you'd be surprised at how awful they are :)
2) That's interesting + horrible, and it's the exact opposite of what Christianity is supposed to be [I think]. =( I have many Christian friends over here from NZ, Australia, but some are American and are very nice ^^
3) Thank you for the correct information, I used the archive from OCvote, and my result of 55 percent was from the 2000 gen, but I went back and saw that 2004 was 60% Wow ^^
It voted Republican in the last 5 presidential elections
1988 Bush41
1992 Bush41
1996 Dole
2000 Bush 43
2004 Bush 43
Based on this record of Orange County voters, Saddleback Church is probably, at the least, 60% Republican; more likely - because it is an evangelical church - 75% to 80% Republican and conservative.
:)