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CNN Saddleback Debate: danger mixing religion & politics

http://www.THESOAPBOXROADSH... THIS STINKS: The Saddleback "church" charged $500 for tickets to the debate: http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.ocregister.com/a...  
 
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rikskelton138 (4 months ago) Show Hide
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organized religion is a shame. They are ripping you off. Why ask for money, why give donations when you can worship at home.
mulliganville (8 months ago) Show Hide
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That is not the original Saddleback Tent...get your facts straight. The tent is Overdrive, a venue on the Saddleback campus. That was not a fund raiser, but the Overdrive venue...just like that every Sunday.

Saddleback has done more for the poor than probably any other church I know of. The civil forum was not Rick's idea, but that of the candidates. Take your gripe to the candidates...
Ralphdraw3 (1 year ago) Show Hide
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Ralphdraw3 (1 year ago) Show Hide
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What "peace" plan?

does it include bombing Iran??

or a 100 year war with Iraq?
lutonduke (1 year ago) Show Hide
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For that, you would have to ask the church, or research for yourself. [considering you're the citizen "journalist"]

But from what I've read of it, they don't seem to include the bombing of countries nor a century long war. Although I suspect your government is already doing a good job at that on its own. Again, I more than welcome INTELLIGENT discussion on this matter. These criticism are here to help you, I'm not one of those people who criticise without reason.
Ralphdraw3 (1 year ago) Show Hide
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1 - make your video, make it intelligent too

2 - asking the "church" is not really possible

3 - my guess is that most of Saddleback's congregation supported the war in Iraq and voted for George Bush (probably twice - 2000 and 2004), because, as you correctly point out, Orange County is wealthy/rich and Republican.
lutonduke (1 year ago) Show Hide
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1 - Make any sort of video? =)

2 - I've done it on several occasion for a University report over here, and they were pretty nice about it. You'd be surprise at how nice some Christians are.

3 - I doubt everyone who adhere to the Christian religion all vote the same way, I don't think that can happen to a church of 23,000. Yes, OC is wealthy, and about 50% are Reps. Now, are these 50 saddleback members? Quite Possibly. Are there Democrats who goes to saddleback? Quite Possibly =)
Ralphdraw3 (1 year ago) Show Hide
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1) ANY video - but make it intelligent

2) Most of the Christians here are nasty and awful (most of them, particularly those in the South and are white) -

they like war and violence
they support torture
they hate foreigners (Mexicans esp.) and African Americans
they hate homosexuals
they couldn't care less about the poor..

:)

you'd be surprised at how awful they are :)
lutonduke (1 year ago) Show Hide
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1) I did, mostly for class projects, but it doesn't fit within the data limit of youtube. =)

2) That's interesting + horrible, and it's the exact opposite of what Christianity is supposed to be [I think]. =( I have many Christian friends over here from NZ, Australia, but some are American and are very nice ^^

3) Thank you for the correct information, I used the archive from OCvote, and my result of 55 percent was from the 2000 gen, but I went back and saw that 2004 was 60% Wow ^^
Ralphdraw3 (1 year ago) Show Hide
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BTW you are wrong about Orange County - it is overwhelming Republican:

It voted Republican in the last 5 presidential elections

1988 Bush41
1992 Bush41
1996 Dole
2000 Bush 43
2004 Bush 43

Based on this record of Orange County voters, Saddleback Church is probably, at the least, 60% Republican; more likely - because it is an evangelical church - 75% to 80% Republican and conservative.

:)

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