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[Oblationem]

“It is written: ‘We ought to obey God rather than men.’ Now sometimes the things commanded by a superior are against God. Therefore, superiors are not to be obeyed in all things.”

(Summa Theologiae, IIa IIae, Q. 104, A. 5)

[mburmy]

@Oblationem Don't take these verses out of context. Jesus told Peter, "Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven," and this applies to his successors as well. Pius V had every right to bind it, and Paul VI had every right to loose it.

Besides, I've seen sloppily-done Tridentine Masses, and reverently-done Novus Ordo Masses...

[Oblationem]

@mburmy

Reverently done Novus Ordo Masses?

Even if everyone in the Novus Ordo church were levitating three feet off the ground with halos around their heads, the Novus Ordo mass (small m) would still have Protestant and Jewish elements in it. In fact, the ‘Neocatechumenal Way’ mass just approved by the Vatican has a Jewish Chanukkiah on the Novus Ordo table. How does this glorify God who founded the Catholic Church?

[mburmy]

@Oblationem The Tridentine Mass has the Lavabo, doesn't it? That's a Jewish element, why don't you object to that?

[Oblationem]

Many things in the Tridentine Mass are from the Jewish tradition before the book is moved from the Epistle side of the Altar to the Gospel side. After the book is moved, it signifies the end of the Old Testament and the beginning of the New and Everlasting Convent of Jesus Christ; the Jews are no longer the chosen people. In the Novus Ordo mass is a corruption of Protestant and Jewish customs through out the mass. Every religion is equal; but Jesus founded only one religion. Catholic.

[Oblationem]

I asked his permission to video his mass, (small m) very loudly. He gave his permission in the presence of many witnesses. I could care less if he approves of the way that I used the video. This is part of an old battle with this progressive parish that goes back many years. What goes around comes around. The next comparison will be between his Novus Ordo mass and the very similar Protestant worship service, for all to see what little difference there really is. Novus Ordos have been sold out…

[TheSicilianSaxophone]

This next generation of seminarians are certainly vouching for the TLM. Myself included. We need prayers for strong wholesome priestly vocations.

[IgnacioAgramonte]

GREAT VIDEO!!!

[TraditionalRC12]

@mburmy

what i find that all modernists have in common to justify what they THINK is the church they have to attack the Traditional Latin mass and the Apostolic church to justify conciliar actions. i used to be one of those people. it is a very simple argument and it is ALMOST sound. I acknowledge the popes authority but obedience is the servant of faith not of obedience, bottom line even if one intends well the new mass is a sacrilege and very disrespectful, a protestant service not Catholic

[mburmy]

@Oblationem Um, the Labavo is at the beginning of the Liturgy of the Eucharist...looks like they missed a Jewish element.

[Megastephen1o1]

@mburmy I agree with you. Which ever mass is the most prominant will have the most abuse because it will have the most priests, as well as the most bad priests. I've heard horror stories from the pre-VII days of priests with truck mirrors on the alter so they could watch their parishioners. Also St. Vincent de Paul once worked training priests who were ordained and could barely speak Latin, I doubt their masses would have had some abuse. All mass can have abuse.

[sofioagainstevlobama]

@Oblationem AMEN!!

[sofioagainstevlobama]

@mburmy but christ and his mission doesn't change. the pope is the vicar of christ on earth. jesus doesn't contradict himself. he's not going to say " you only can take communion on the tounge" then You can take it in your hand if you want. he's not going to say "outside the cathoic church there is no salvation" then people out side the church can still get to heaven". this is not christ. man

[timothypjohnson]

Great contrast: the reverent, rational, Catholic worship of God vs the neo-protestant worship of Man, a satanic counterfeit "mass" for Vatican II apostates.

Be careful of invalidly ordained "priests" though, i.e. those ordained under the spurious Pauline ordinal. They frequently celebrate invalid Tridentine rite "masses".