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Ep. 3 "Abortion, Alcohol, and Sex"

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WolfSyndrome (1 month ago) Show Hide
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Of course you are still assuming the federally funded study is more accurate. What was your thought process that made you come to this conclusion? i.e. How did you weigh the evidence?
HonestDiscussioner (4 weeks ago) Show Hide
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No I'm not. Even if the federally funded study is wrong and the other right, the results still aren't that great. I'm sorry but it's not smart to advocate a program that only prospones sex for a while at the cost of increased pregnancies and STD's when they do eventually start doing it.

There's also only one, maybe two peer reviewed studies that have this. The vast majority do not show this, so banning some sort of conspiracy the few studies that show the small benefit are outliers.
HonestDiscussioner (4 weeks ago) Show Hide
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Now contrast that with the numerous peer-reviewed studies that show comprehensive sex education programs do work quite well.

Not only do they NOT show any statistically significant increase in sex, but they also do decrease unwanted pregnancy and STD infections. In many cases it's actually the comprehensive programs that wind up decreasing the onset of sexual intercourse.

There is really nothing significant evidence that would advocate a non-comprehensive sexual education program.
WolfSyndrome (4 weeks ago) Show Hide
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I don't want to make the mistake of thinking you advocate something you don't, so could you give me a list of specific comprehensive programs that you 100% agree with?
HonestDiscussioner (4 weeks ago) Show Hide
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I've already described the comprehensive programs. Ones that teach kids how to use protection, give them all of the necessary information on risks, STD's, pregnancy, as well as let them know the only way to ensure that the negatives don't happen is to not have sex.
WolfSyndrome (1 month ago) Show Hide
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The results of a program don't necessarily reflect what the program promotes.
HonestDiscussioner (4 weeks ago) Show Hide
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Then the results of the program is that it decreases the use of protection and doesn't decrease the amount of sex. Whatever it's intentions are, is is a harmful program.
HonestDiscussioner (1 month ago) Show Hide
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I'm in favor of the comprehensive program, so tell me what about the comprehensive program that gives instruction and statistics on use of protection as well as encourages abstinence?
WolfSyndrome (1 month ago) Show Hide
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The problem is the "gives instruction" part. This implies we are telling kids it's OK to have irresponsible sex so long as it's "safe". What I mean by irresponsible sex is sex between people who can't reasonably take care of a child (WITHOUT government assistance) when the POSSIBILITY of having a child is there.
HonestDiscussioner (4 weeks ago) Show Hide
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No. A comprehensive program says "It's best to postpone sex, but if you are going to do it, use a condom and here's how."

What is the goal here? Is it to stop sex? Stop irresponsible sex? No, it's about unwanted pregnancy and STD prevention. Unless you'd rather have five couples have sex and three of them get pregnant rather than 10 couples have sex often and only one of them getting pregnant.

Comprehensive decreases unwanted pregnancies\STD's. Abstinence programs INCREASE them. Bottom line.

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