Give Me an Answer - #0610 - Ohio State University - Part A

Cliffe Knechtle has a dialouge with several students at Ohio State University in May of 2010.
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The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This was an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.

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[77mrniceguy]

this man, is an idiot and getting shown up by a college student

[BailiffQuimby]

@Bernardatious I'm not video-hopping, sorry. If he has any good points to make, summarize them here please?

[Bernardatious]

@BailiffQuimby from 13:20 onwards in his #1710 video, Cliffe talks a bit about slavery and New vs Old Testament

[Bernardatious]

@BailiffQuimby I haven't studied that part of the Bible very much, but Cliffe Knechtle said that its a civil law and I tend to trust him from what else he's been saying.

[BailiffQuimby]

@Bernardatious "We are all equal in the sight of God"

Not true. In the bible, God makes it clear that he does not see people who worship other gods or people who worship no gods as "equal" to his own followers.

"which means we will all (ultimately) be judged fairly"

How is it "fairly" if his judgement is based on his own subjective narcissistic laws?

[BailiffQuimby]

@Bernardatious That's an old excuse and one completely unsupported by the bible itself. Nowhere does god specify which laws are for everyone and which are just for "people under that government." Moreover, civil law or not, god endorsing slavery is still deplorable, and the fact that he didn't specifically BAN slavery (and rape and assault) in his "moral law" section is also deplorable.

[OmoItsekiri]

@Bernardatious Hello. I can see your point, but scientifically speaking when things or forces are equal they can cancel each other out or add to the power of the other. I can say you are wrong, it doesn't make me right. As we are equal my perspective on 'right and wrong' is as valid as yours. Without a higher power, I cannot with certainity say to another person you are wrong, I recite their actions, I can call them immoral but what right do I have? Only God has it, because he is the author.

[Bernardatious]

@BailiffQuimby "Do not murder" was a moral law, not a civil law. Moral laws hold for everyone, but civil laws only hold for people under that government.

[Bernardatious]

@OmoItsekiri Our equality has nothing to do with our right to impose moral law on others. We are all equal in the sight of God, which means we will all (ultimately) be judged fairly. But just because we're all equal, that does not mean we don't have the right to tell someone they are wrong.

[BailiffQuimby]

@lookatmepleasesir "it does seem that the commandment is talking about murder rather then all instances of killing. "

Perhaps. But most people could count pillaging and ransacking a city for the purpose of genocide, and collecting sex slaves to fall under the category of murder (and then some). Really, the commandment only applied to Jews killing other Jews, and only when God didn't say they deserved it.