October Surprise, how Reagan really won!
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Carter was leading Reagan in the polls until the last few days of the election. The hostage crisis was the biggest issue until those last few days when it became apparent that the hostages would not be released. The major issue to voters then became the economy, and that's when Reagan took the lead.
Carter, the Reagan campaign, media, Iranians, etc...all knew that the election hinged on the hostage situation. This is very similar to the 1968 election with the Vietnam negotiations.
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Activists in DC saw corporate lobbyists swarm into town months before the 1980 presidential election. Things got creepy before Carter "lost" to Reagan. We always believed Carter was backstabbed by officials in his administration who conspired with Republican officials to undermine his presidency. He was a good, honest president surrounded by psychopaths. I'd like to see his fake macho critics do better. Get the logs out of your eyes, people. Jimmy Carter is our last real living president.
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Ronald Reagan won correctly and hands down twice, anybody claiming the opposite is just a terrorist!
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@stage51manager 1. Actually Bush Sr. was proven innocent of conspiracy and was not even in Paris on any of the 3 days that the meeting supposedly took place.
2. The investigation didn't take place until a few weeks before Clinton's inauguration. Why is this? because there never was a conspiracy to begin with it was a tool used by Democrats to secure Clinton's election.
If any election was stolen it was the Democrats who stole the election in 1993.
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So, why would democrats wait for Iran/Contra to make a move toward impeachment instead of acting on this? The rumors of a set-up started almost immediately. Sorry guys, wishful thinking.
Also, the popular vote was not close. The assumption that this one issue was Carter's undoing is absurd. If the hostages had come home earlier, the election would have been closer, but Carter was too far away to assume a win.
Last, how can someone who isn't president strike a deal the current president can't?
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Jesse Ventura wrote about this in his book, "the first stolen election of 1980" Carter was on paste to bring the hostages back home in the summer/fall of 80. If Carter brought home the hostages before the election Carter would won re-election. Reagan/Bush/CIA were involved in this hostage situation, called Iran to hold the hostages after the election. Remember Bush Sr was head of the CIA. The one thing CIA was in involved because Carter was cutting the CIA funds. Conspiracy Theory!
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@youngerone1 you truly have your head up your ass
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Not a "coincidence", but sheer ranting...
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@dave4248 No what it means is that Carter is the one true outsider to ever make it to the Oval Office. He didn't play the Washington social scene. This is all part of why so much disinformation was allowed to be believed about him at the time and still is. He doesn't have the Washington network of defenders that JFK does or that Reagan had. Carter is fair game because he wasn't an insider and he didn't play their games. But as time goes on his esteem rises because of this.
cyman whats up with your comment "so they elect obama?"
atheistforchange 1 year ago
@atheistforchange "Obama, problematic as his policies are, is light-years ahead of what we might well have endured otherwise with McCain as President. - Howard Zinn" Reason I voted for Obama!
TheCyMan 1 year ago 2
Wow, dope-smoking hippie with a frizzy mullett doesn't like Reagan. That's news! Gotta love the "sinister" music playing in the background. That makes the reptile-brained liberal incorporate said propaganda into their "core belief system", a la the words "hope" & "change" when uttered by a corrupt Chicago pol. Mr. Frizzy Mullett might want to turn his attention to the murder of 3 millions Cambodians on Mr. Carter's watch, but of course genocidal commies aren't really "bad guys" in their eyes.
youngerone1 2 years ago
The Cambodian genocide has its origins in the U.S. alliance with Prince Norodom Sihanouk the Cambodian Head of State, against the Viet Nemeses. This goes back to the mid 1950s, the idea by right-wing policy makers was that have no problem with murdering communists provided they promote U.S. interests at the time. As I recall Stalin was seen as a great U.S. friend at the height of his purges.
TheCyMan 2 years ago