The Dino-bird Controversy

Did birds evolve from dinosaurs? Dr Marc Surtees looks at the evidence from the fossil record. Subjects covered include: feathers, bone structure and breathing systems.

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[gregrutz]

''They have bird hips but are not at all like birds'' Made me laugh.

[gregrutz]

And we know all this from studying the millions of years old fossils of dinosaurs and how they changed over 160 millin years when the ruled the earth.

[Tomozaurus]

Why do BAND supporters or creationists or whatever not do more research before they give lectures/seminars?

They always leave out, misinterpret or are plain wrong about so many things.

If you want to come up with a convincing argument, do research and cover all bases.

[TheScienceFoundation]

@NachyoLulz5596 Likewise. 

[NachyoLulz5596]

@TheScienceFoundation

Fair enough. I can see I'm fighting a losing battle here. I'll agree with you on a factual level, but what I've read just seem to put it closer to dinosaurs. Unfortunately, many of those are more circumstantial that absolute.

Anyway, nice talking with you. Always nice to has a legitimate debate with someone.

[BereanBeacon1]

@NachyoLulz5596 What you believe determines where you will spend eternity after death. Even if you believe in the creation account, you could still know hell too late.

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. Galatians 6:7,8

[TheScienceFoundation]

@NachyoLulz5596 They're both in the sense that Aves as a whole is a class of Dinosauria. But just to nitpick, Archaeopteryx has more exclusively avian features.

[NachyoLulz5596]

@TheScienceFoundation

Yes, but so is every other therapod characteristic, despite this, the are still called birds (I know many are classified as dinosaurs, but there are Avian and nonavian dinosaurs meaning an animal CAN be both at once). I am well aware that factually, whatever the newest record is becomes fact, but science has been wrong before. This is simply what I've determined from my research.

[TheScienceFoundation]

@NachyoLulz5596 Yeah, search for

archaopteryx berkeley

[TheScienceFoundation]

@NachyoLulz5596 Teeth aren't a reasonable diagnostic feature, modern birds can have teeth if atavistic genes are reactivated. There are also birds that retain claws.