Fr. Barron comments on Apocalyptic Literature

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[lawwellsy]

Father, just a note on modern cosmology - they've actually discovered that the universe is expanding at an increasing rate (hence the concept of dark matter/energy). There won't be a Big Crunch, just a Big Nothing (there won't even be black holes as the universe's temperature asymptotically approaches absolute zero).

Just an FYI.

[wordonfirevideo]

@lawwellsy Well, so they say for the moment! It wasn't very long ago that many cosmologists were talking readily of a Big Crunch. We'll see what they come up with next. My overall point is that none of this really touches on philosophical or metaphysical issues.

[Cousinsjay]

the operative word here is "I think" then you follow that up with a very convoluted explanation about apocalyptic literature....wow....I just have one question. Do you think god inspired the bible???..The other words "Great Truths"come on bob your killing me..

[wordonfirevideo]

@Cousinsjay Well I might be "killing you" (whatever that means), but I'm offering you a standard Catholic reading of these texts, rooted in very ancient interpreters such as Origen and Augustine. As usual, Jay, you're battling with the fundamentalism of your youth. Catholics aren't fundamentalists, and inspiration is not equivalent to divine dictation.

[Lleanlleawrg]

"All political institutions come and they go" he says with a smile. And so it will be with Catholicism. Now it's my turn to smile.

[wordonfirevideo]

@Lleanlleawrg Well, I don't know. We've been around for 2000 years, and we've watched empires, nation states, cultural institutions, and international movements rise and fall around us. We've also got a guarantee from a pretty reliable source that he gates of Hell shall not prevail against us.

[rytsign69]

@slaveofmary3 don't forget the Spanish Revolution, the French Revolution, The Cristeros War of Mexico, It's becoming a trend really, whenever an Atheist rise to power, The Entire world suffers.

[lawwellsy]

@waisehell Two questions: (1) what exactly is wrong with the ancient God of Israel, and (2) if you are having a new deity simply because you have an issue with the old one, where has said deity been all this time?

Alas, I suppose you can only say such a thing if you think religions are manmade. Sorry to disappoint you, but that just ain't so. There's one that isn't, and that's the Faith of the Church.

[lawwellsy]

@slaveofmary3 I actually think you should start by looking at electrical theory before you start trying to lecture on plasmas. You would know that a capacitor tends to leak electrcity. A natural capacitor would never retain any significant charge. Your theory is bunk, and gravity still rules. And seriously, do you want me to sit on you with the 10^30 kg sun? That's the scale you're up against.

[slaveofmary3]

@Lleanlleawrg Murder - mass murder - *IS* the atheist way. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Lenin - all these atheistic murderers oppressed and killed tens of millions of people in the 20th century, far more than a mere Hitler, and more than all wars in the past of all human history combined. Atheists have no morals either, and lying is part of their belief system, just like yours. Well, you will find out the Truth - that's the real deal. All of mankind will see Jesus - and their Judgement.

[slaveofmary3]

@lawwellsy If you study plasma physics, you will find that the principles work on all scales. For example, comets are not dirty snowballs, but rocks with an electrical charge, the large charge from outside the solar system which discharge as a electronic capacitor when they approach the sun. That's why the temp around the sun is much higher than the surface, which gravity models cannot explain. The real math is plasma physics.

[lawwellsy]

@slaveofmary3 On the quantum scale, you are correct - EM is stronger than gravity. On the macro scale, however, the sheer distances and masses involved means that gravity beats out everything. Seriously, Newton's Law of Gravitation is not hard to understand. Check the Sun's mass and its electrical activity, and see which is stronger through the solar system. It's not hard maths.

[Lleanlleawrg]

@slaveofmary3 No, the deal was this: If you're right about this second coming bullshit, I'll accept the consequences of my life's beliefs (or lack thereof, rather) and face whatever may come - but if you're wrong, and jesus doesn't come back, you should go see jesus.

And your line that murder is "the atheist way" .. well, that's just plain factually wrong. As for this website you want me to read, I'm not going to be convinced by it unless it first convinces me christianity is true

[slaveofmary3]

@Lleanlleawrg Pay attention: no, the world is not coming to an end yet. Jesus is coming soon through an enlightenment of conscience. You won't roast permanently, but you will feel as if you are. You say that you will just do what you always do (deny God), and want me to do what I will never do (commit murder). Not for me - that is the atheist way. Are you of strong enough conviction to read a website and say some words already quoted? Or are you cowardly?

[Lleanlleawrg]

@slaveofmary3 You just told me that the world is coming to an end within a year and if I don't repent I'll be sorry (i.e i'll be roasting in hell) and it seems you think I'd deserve it too. So why exactly should I be showing you any love whatsoever? Your god is one that demands both fear and love. I'm not a slave, I'm not a masochist. You can be if you want to, but don't ask me to. Now: How about my suggestion? Are you of strong enough a conviction to accept?

[slaveofmary3]

@Lleanlleawrg The way you deal with people shows some serious lack of love. Say this: "“God, if You are the Truth, reveal to me the sign of Your Love. Open my heart to receive guidance. If You exist, let me feel Your Love so I can see the Truth. Pray for me now." PS: the Great Warning is not the end of the world.