@jamyupsuhsuh On another note, I just remembered I played a concert with the U.S. Army Herald Trumpets. Excellent musicians, but they were not allowed to move while playing because they are a presidential military ensemble.
@jamyupsuhsuh Arguments for being completely still are not very strong. There's a reason why the Berlin and Vienna orchestras decided to make the transition and allow their musicians to move. At the same time, movement can be excessive and "wrong", if a player moves in a way that actually affects playing, or the movement is irrelevant to what is being played.
@theothercanadian true. I agree though. As long as you sound good. It's not that I don't like the expressive movements x) I do it myself. It's just that I've seen people make some valid arguments for not moving. ^^
@jamyupsuhsuh Oboists in particular have a tendency to move more than players of other instruments.
It really depends how much and especially HOW you move. I'm sure none of us can doubt Alex Klein's playing. He moves a lot when he plays, but most of it is the upper body together as whole, with minimal to no affect on embouchure.
Many different philosophies exist, mine is as long as you sound good who cares? I've just heard very few expressive players that didn't move. None in live performance
@jamyupsuhsuh I've studied with Chinese, French and North American oboists. From what I've learned, Europeans tend to take a more poetic approach to music whereas in North America we just want it to sound good.
@theothercanadian I've seen both oboists who stay stock still and oboists who move a great amount that are excellent... I think it has alot to do with the style of playing you do though. I found that oboists trained european-style tend to move alot more than american style oboists who tend to play still. Some of my american style oboe teachers have advocated stock still playing as moving excessively or at all can often affect your embouchure and ultimately tone
There was a study done a while ago where scientists gauged the force of a person's punch. It people hit harder when they yelled as opposed to being silent.
It's the same with music. I personally lose a lot of the expression in my playing when I remain still.
@excalibur1812 Let's just live and let live. Other musician's have their own interpretations. Let's just be respectful, agree or disagree with style and enjoy the music, cause that's what it's all about.
Well I'm a principal oboist in my orchestra and I prefer to emote my music by playing more emotionally, not by dancing all over the stage. It does NOT emote any involvement or expressiveness, it's just irritating to watch.
@excalibur1812 it's a concept called being INVOLVED in the music that you are performing. please forgive the hard working orchestra members for trying to convey a little emotion.
@jamyupsuhsuh On another note, I just remembered I played a concert with the U.S. Army Herald Trumpets. Excellent musicians, but they were not allowed to move while playing because they are a presidential military ensemble.
theothercanadian 2 months ago
@jamyupsuhsuh Arguments for being completely still are not very strong. There's a reason why the Berlin and Vienna orchestras decided to make the transition and allow their musicians to move. At the same time, movement can be excessive and "wrong", if a player moves in a way that actually affects playing, or the movement is irrelevant to what is being played.
theothercanadian 2 months ago
@theothercanadian true. I agree though. As long as you sound good. It's not that I don't like the expressive movements x) I do it myself. It's just that I've seen people make some valid arguments for not moving. ^^
jamyupsuhsuh 2 months ago
@jamyupsuhsuh Oboists in particular have a tendency to move more than players of other instruments.
It really depends how much and especially HOW you move. I'm sure none of us can doubt Alex Klein's playing. He moves a lot when he plays, but most of it is the upper body together as whole, with minimal to no affect on embouchure.
Many different philosophies exist, mine is as long as you sound good who cares? I've just heard very few expressive players that didn't move. None in live performance
theothercanadian 2 months ago
@jamyupsuhsuh I've studied with Chinese, French and North American oboists. From what I've learned, Europeans tend to take a more poetic approach to music whereas in North America we just want it to sound good.
theothercanadian 2 months ago
@theothercanadian I've seen both oboists who stay stock still and oboists who move a great amount that are excellent... I think it has alot to do with the style of playing you do though. I found that oboists trained european-style tend to move alot more than american style oboists who tend to play still. Some of my american style oboe teachers have advocated stock still playing as moving excessively or at all can often affect your embouchure and ultimately tone
jamyupsuhsuh 2 months ago
@excalibur1812 What orchestra do you play principal in?
There was a study done a while ago where scientists gauged the force of a person's punch. It people hit harder when they yelled as opposed to being silent.
It's the same with music. I personally lose a lot of the expression in my playing when I remain still.
theothercanadian 2 months ago
@excalibur1812 Let's just live and let live. Other musician's have their own interpretations. Let's just be respectful, agree or disagree with style and enjoy the music, cause that's what it's all about.
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HeyyyItsJAyyy 3 months ago
@sifilms
Well I'm a principal oboist in my orchestra and I prefer to emote my music by playing more emotionally, not by dancing all over the stage. It does NOT emote any involvement or expressiveness, it's just irritating to watch.
excalibur1812 3 months ago
@excalibur1812 it's a concept called being INVOLVED in the music that you are performing. please forgive the hard working orchestra members for trying to convey a little emotion.
sifilms 3 months ago 2