Did Jesus of Nazareth Physically Rise From the Dead?( 3 of 6 )

Did Jesus Christ really rise from the dead?

Is there evidence that Jesus rose from the dead?

"Christianity and Islam"

A truly remarkable series of four debates held at four Canadian universities on four different questions.

Day 1: Did Jesus of Nazareth Physically Rise From the Dead?

Representing the Muslim perspective was Shabir Ally: Shabir Ally has earned a B.A. in Religious Studies from Laurentian University in Sudbury, Ontario, with a specialization in Biblical Literature, and an M.A. in Religious Studies from the University of Toronto with a specialization in Quranic Exegesis.

He is now in his third year of Ph.D studies in Quranic Exegesis at the University of Toronto.

He is the president of the Islamic Information & Dawah Centre International in Toronto where he functions as Imam.

He travels internationally to represent Islam in public lectures and interfaith dialogues.

He explains Islam on a weekly television program called "Let the Quran Speak.

Representing the Christian side was Dr. William Lane Craig: Dr. William is Research Professor of Philosophy at Talbot School of Theology in La Mirada, California.

He lives in Atlanta, Georgia, with his wife Jan and their two teenage children Charity and John.

At the age of sixteen as a junior in high school, he first heard the message of the Christian gospel and yielded his life to Christ.

Dr. Craig pursued his undergraduate studies at Wheaton College (B.A. 1971) and graduate studies at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School (M.A. 1974; M.A. 1975), the University of Birmingham (England) (Ph.D. 1977), and the University of Munich (Germany) (D.Theol. 1984).

The Topic of Debate: Did Jesus of Nazareth Physically Rise From the Dead?


Shabir Ally (www.Shabirally.com)

vs.

Dr. Willam Lane Craig

(www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/)

(University of Toronto, Canada 2002)

Category:

Education

Tags:

• Christianity
• Jesus
• Christ
• Resurrection
• Death
• Bible
• Islam
• Qur'an
• Koran
• Quran
• William
• Lane
• Craig
• Shabir
• Ally

[JuLollyA]

Dr. Shabir Ally, as much as I respect the guy, he really doesn't make any sense...

Dr. Craig points out that Shabir Ally takes things out of context too often, and Craig's clearly right.

[opntheirhartzJesus]

"...what exactly happened is a mystery that we cannot penetrate" ally ~ Jesus was crucified: matt 27:35-44, mark 15:24-32, luke 23:33-43, john 19:16-28 Jesus died: matt 27:50, mark 13:37, luke 23:46, john 19:30 Jesus was buried: matt 27:59-60 mark 15:45-46, luke 23:53, john 19:40-42 Jesus resurrected and appeared to many: matthew 28:9-10, 18-20 mark 16:9, 12-13, luke 24:13-32, 34, 36-43, 50-53, john 20:10-29, 21:1-24, Acts 9:3-6, 1 Corinthians 15:5-8 we can, and do, know what happened

[hoorano]

@lonehunter65 Saying or repeating biblical rhetoric "Jesus was resurrected from the dead" is not enough evidence that it is true. It's like repeating, "Santa Claus lived on the North Pole." You can believe what you want to believe. I don't think Jesus himself would say, "If you don't believe that I was not resurrected from the dead, you are not a Christian." It would be obnoxiously vain of Him. I think He would value people to live to His guidance more than the miracles stated in the bible.

[lonehunter65]

@hoorano The Gospels were written as historical documents. Sure if it was like Psalms or something, maybe I wouldn't take it exactly literally, but it isn't. It's written as historical fact. And one of the most historically certain facts we have is Jesus's resurrection. If Jesus can resurrect, I have no problem believing any other miracles.

And no, the laws of chemistry and physics came into existence at the time of the big bang, so there is no way that creation was natural.

[hoorano]

@lonehunter65 Other than other people's subjective account of Jesus' appearances, where is the tangible evidence? Were there accounts of Jesus bringing back someone's skeleton remains? Just because the bible holds historical facts and universal principles of morality, it doesn't mean that every miracle is literally true. Understanding the bible "literally" can be very dangerous. Creation of the universe arguably followed laws of chemistry and physics, creationism & scientifically.

[lonehunter65]

@hoorano Jesus did raise someone from the dead....

If you truly believe in God, then you should have no problem believing in any type of supernatural miracles. The greatest miracle of them all has already been completed, the creation of the universe! You don't have to read the bible to understand that miracle! If God can create the universe and create all natural laws, there should be no reason to think that he cannot perform simple miracles such as raising the dead.

Your proof - creation

[hoorano]

@lonehunter65 Miracles do happen within the context and parameters of nature's laws. Jesus and others cured human of diseases or illness but He can't create zombies from dead people. Show me scientific proof of how God dramatically changed the physics and chemistry of anything.

Please don't proselytize to me of the miracles stated in the bible. I value the principles in the bible, but I don't take the bible literally. You can if you want to.

[lonehunter65]

@hoorano Did you really just state that an all-powerful God CAN'T do something???

If God created the rules, then he can change them, I think that much should be obvious.

[hoorano]

@lonehunter65 Since when assumption became facts? I guess it's safe to "assume" that if a theory is repeatedly stated as a fact because meaning fits the desired outcome. Personally, I believe that the truths and principles Jesus of Nazareth have been revived after his death. I believe in God and He can create images of resurrection, not actual resurrection. Even God can't break it's own rules of chemistry and physics.

[lonehunter65]

@hoorano The belief that he rose from the dead does not only come from the statement "He is risen".

It is historically verified that Christ was crucified, buried by Joseph of Arimethea, tomb was found empty, he appeared to over 500 people, and the disciples believed despite predispositions to the contrary.

If jesus died, and then later appeared to people, we can assume he resurrected. The statement "he is risen" just validates it further. And im hesitant to accept your hermeneutics so easily.

[hoorano]

In the Greek language of the bible, it never say "anastasis" (resurrection). It states "egeiro" or "he is risen." The meaning o egeiro is not even close to resurrection. It seems that the context of "he is risen" has evolved into resurrection.

[lebking95]

GEEZUS!!!!!!!!