Debate Dr. James White vs Sheikh Ahmed Muhammad Awal_clip05

Total of 15 clips. This is one of two debates that were scheduled between Dr James R. White of Alpha and Omega Ministries and Sheikh Ahmad Muhammad Awal, a student of Ahmed Deedat. Topic: Is the Bible of today the word of God? As expected... it wasn't even a contest. As a result the second debate got cancelled by Sheikh Awal on grounds of bogus claims.

Category:

Education

Tags:

• James White
• Sheikh Muhammad Awal
• Bible
• Quran
• Corruption
• Textual Criticism
• New Testament
• Old Testament
• Islam
• Christianity

[seeqr9]

All these things prove is that even those chosen of God, when they turn their back on him, will fall.

[Nakdimon316]

@PobjedaIstine there were no other gospels in circulation than those we have today. There was no other torah in circulation than that of today. So this entire point is moot. our "modern bibles" correspond with all the other manuscripts we have found of the Gospel and the Torah from before during and after the days of Muhammad. There is NOTHING about him. So for you to claim that there was another Gospel at that time in that place is noting but convenience. No proof whatsoever.

[PobjedaIstine]

@Nakdimon316 Muhammad [pbuh]was defin.to be found in the Tewrat of Arabic Jews of Medina and scriptures of some monoteisic uniterian christian's through arabia[like Waraqa Khadija's cousin for examp.] of that time.Only problem is that your Old Testament and New Testament are not coresponding with those.For that reason you can not clearly find direct quotes about him in your modern bibles

[PobjedaIstine]

@Nakdimon316 "it would seem that she would be eternal herself" really?That is very interesting because the Nestorians become"heretics" after the council of Ephesis. Why would they be considered 'heretics' if your explanation is true

[Nakdimon316]

@PobjedaIstine Therefore they reject almost ALL of the sayings of Yeshua in the gospels. I dont know if you know who Robert Price is, he was part of the Jesus Seminar, but that guy rejects ANY historical data, since historical data can be tampered with. Even if there were cameras and audio recordings, he would still reject those since one can tamper with that too. This is the irrationality that the Gospels had to cope with. Given that criterion alone no wonder they rejected almost all the data.

[Nakdimon316]

@PobjedaIstine ok sorry for misreading ur comment. Yet still I find it laughable that you will appeal to people who have such irrational criteria applied to the historical data about Yeshua. They dont think any prophecy is reliable, yet YOU appeal to the Parakletos saying, etc. to validate passages such as Surah 7:157 which says that Muhammad can be found in the Gospel. So again you make an objection based on a criterion that refutes your own position. Amazing.

[PobjedaIstine]

@Nakdimon316 Also your statement about Jesus Sem."rejecting almost all the sayings of Jesus" is compl.wrong.They don't say that,what are they actualy saying is that the Gospels are so distorted that not even 20 percent of sayings atributed to Jesus can actualy be proven to be his.

[Nakdimon316]

@PobjedaIstine The article you quoted earlier from Wikipedia tells u why they objected. NOT that Mary was attributed Divinity. It was because it would seem that she would be eternal herself. Read the entire thing and dont cherry pick from it only to use those convinient pieces from the article. Theotekos was ONLY to be applied to Yeshua's human nature. They thought that it was also applied to his divine substance. thats why they objected it. La illah il YHWH, waYesua Ibn YHWH.

[Nakdimon316]

@PobjedaIstine That group died out LONG before Muhammad. The last group that openly attributed divinity to Mary are Collyridians, who can be traced untill approx 550 AD. Thats it! Yet after that Muhammad still talks about people saying Mary is a god and is part of the Trinity. There is nothing else. The Quran is simply WRONG. Were u half as critical to the Quran as u are to the Bible u would spot that error easily. But u use one standard for the Bible and another for the Quran.

[PobjedaIstine]

@Nakdimon316 You compl.misunderstood what I said in com.part 6.Read it again! I knew that you are going to deny 'Jesus Seminar' and for that reason I wrote that accord.N.T.Wright and Bloomberg the scholars of the 'J.Sem.are leading scholars in the field of Hist.Jesus scholaship today.Wright and Bloomberg are of course having diff.opinion but at least they are honest and open minded enough to admit that.