How could the free world deny Taiwan its sovereignty? [台灣人民有自決之權利]

Taiwan (Formosa) was ceded in perpetuity to Japan by Manchu Qing Dynasity in 1895. At the end of WWII, the United State Military Government (USMG) became the principal occupying power over Taiwan - the Chinese ROC army never fought Japan in Taiwan.

In 1952, in the San Francisco Peace Treaty, Japan declared that it would give up its sovereignty over Taiwan (Formosa) and the Pescadores islands. Although at the end of WWII, General D. MacArthur did issue an order to ROC's Chiang Kai-shek, asking him to send representatives to receive the surrender of Japan powers in Taiwan, the USMG never allowed ROC to take over Taiwan.

References:

1. "Future of Taiwan at stake in lawsuit over WWII peace treaty with Japan":
http://www.examiner.com/x-1969-Boston-Progressive-Examiner~y2009m1d28-Future-...
2. "Obama's new intelligence chief sets the stage for showdown over Taiwan":
http://www.examiner.com/x-1969-Boston-Progressive-Examiner~y2009m1d29-Obamas-...
3. Dr. Roger C. S. Lin et. al. v. United States of America:
http://www.taiwanbasic.com/civil/tcourt.htm
4. Taiwan Civil Government: (in Chinese, 華文)
http://taiwancivilgovernment.ning.com/
5. "Republic of China, Taiwan, and the UN":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nizmfOhtP6E
6. BACK USMG BACK Formosa 1945:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE1XH_pE5_Y
7. "How Taiwan Became Chinese: Dutch, Spanish, and Han Colonization in the Seventeenth Century" by Tonio Andrade:
http://www.gutenberg-e.org/andrade/index.html
8. "The Hereditary Genes of the Taiwanese Ethnic Groups (by Dr. Marie Lin)/台灣族群的遺傳基因":
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/twn228ch/10608541

Audio background: "Love you so much! (愛的不得了)" by Dr. Zhen zhi-Ren (鄭智仁醫師, music), and Lu Show-Yee (盧修一, lyrics):
1. http://www.taiwanus.net/zheng/video/200808/wmv.php?id=71
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyqQ5UYqqb8

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[Enigmatism415]

The greatest danger of a Taiwanese nation removed from the ROC is the consequential desinicization of Formosan culture. 98% of the Taiwanese people are Han-Chinese from the Mainland (early Hoklo and Hakka from Fujian, and later post-civil-war Mainlanders) and only 2% aboriginal. The culture of that stark majority forms an integral part of a greater pan-Chinese identity that transcends the recent PRC on the mainland. The PRC shouldn't represent "China" in totality. The KMT can't be exiled again.

[dartoolee]

@Enigmatism415

The recent scientific book written by Dr. Marie LIn (of Mackay Memorial Hospital in Taiwan) clearly indicates that the southern Han are basically of southern origin and remain genetically distinct from the northern Han, "Taiwanese” who are descendants of the ancient Yueh peoples preserve the ancestral HLA haplotype of the Yueh, and there was a clear split between the populations of Taiwan and the southeast coastal provinces from all other parts of China ...

[dartoolee]

@Enigmatism415

(cont) The so-called KMT party originally exiled from China has been officially pronounced dead in 2008 by its present chairman Ma Ying-jeou. This fact is quite obvious for Ma has even forbidden the people now living in Taiwan to show the ROC flag whenever PRC officials are visiting Taiwan. Ma has successfully terminated the original KMT party set up in China and just used its carcass to manipulate and rob Taiwan.

[Enigmatism415]

Fact #1: The US is the principal occupying power of Taiwan.

Fact #2: The intention of the Allies after WWII was to return Taiwan to "China" (ROC).

Fact #3: They didn't because the civil war resulted in two "Chinas." Returning it to the ROC would've allowed a PRC invasion. Returning it to the PRC would be ceding US land to communists. As long as Taiwan is occupied by the US (or the ROC, on their behalf) the PRC cannot intervene.

Opinion: The US should grant the ROC legal sovereignty over Taiwan.

[dartoolee]

@Enigmatism415

(1) The ROC regime in Taiwan was an exile from its land. Since 1895, Taiwan had been officially ceded to Japan by Qing Empire in China;

(2) The reason that General D. MacArthur issued an order requesting ROC's CKS to send representatives to Taiwan to receive the surrender of Japan forces remaining there is because MacArthur wanted ROC forces to continue fighting against the expansion of red Communism in East Asia, taking the advantages of the resources left in Taiwan.

[shanyangqu]

taiwan could be the trigger of 3rd world war.

US entering that war could be the end of it global rule. of course China would back to what it was 20 years ago. and Taiwan will be the hell on earth. EU and RUS become the world leader. when people talk about politics they normally don't care about the consequences.

[dartoolee]

To shanyangqu: Your guess could be totally wrong. The PRC regime in China may fall apart any time, long before WWIII, without any intervention of external forces. Please be concerned with the democratization of China where you are a resident now, but not the future of Taiwan. Taiwan is Taiwan!

[aywwsd]

usa fought in many wars against communism, but it wasn't because of political ideology. we fought in korea and vietnam to further our own political influences around the world.

there is little for us to gain to go to war against the chinese over taiwan. if taiwan didn't have money to overpay for used f16s, the chinese would have invaded already.

[aywwsd]

all this video got is what the taiwanese people want and what the the americans should do.

maybe taiwan needs to take a step back and realize americans don't really care about taiwan enough to go to war with china.

all america really want is to sell taiwan over priced out dated military technology.

[xxxTruthHurtsxxx]

There is a simple answer to this: Taiwanese locals fought in the name of Japan in WW2 and they lost the war. Chinese Nationalists took over the island after Taiwanese surrender. Therefore local Taiwanese lost all their rights. Only post-WW2 Mainlanders in Taiwan can decide the sovereignty of Taiwan. Remember there were 200,000+ Taiwanese fighting for Japan. You are NOT the victims, you were the evil wolves, you won't win this fight because you were, and still are on the wrong side.

[alfieyip]

@dartoolee what do 阿燦 knows? U r wasting so much time explaining to 阿燦s of this world. do u know what 阿燦 means? with all this much of social injustice, how can their country not fall apart?

[calyang1967]

Taiwan is going to be independent from ROC? or Republic People of China? most people do not have answers, nor consistent answers from.

[bigblondman1]

@Enigmatism415 yes, thats all true. but, one china means one nation to the commies. personally i wouldnt trust them. they only want the advantage, always. another option for the r.o.c. is to relocate their gov. to the matzu island group. they have sovereignty there. then the u.s. could transfer legal status to a sovereign nation. that would be a big step. but the problem would be the p.r.c. could claim gov. succession of those islands. international law doesnt recognize the title roc.

[Enigmatism415]

@bigblondman1

The concept of "nationhood" is a relatively recent one in human history; the concept of "One China," however, has existed many centuries earlier (since its first unification in 221BC under the Qin empire). If only the PRC would accept that "One China" does not inherently mean "One Chinese Nation" in the sense of modern-day Westphalian sovereignty, we could really get somewhere. A confederation is simply a more macro entity; it is still unified as "One China."

[bigblondman1]

@Enigmatism415 also the one china policy to the p.r.c. means of course only them. they could care less about the r.o.c. thats why i dont trust the commies at all. personally i think what should happen hopefully one day is for the communists to dissolve themselves much like the soviets did in russia. thats also a stretch. the other option is as ive stated to have the law changed. what the r.o.c is doing now is cross strait relations. otherwise, the last resort, unfortunately is war.

[bigblondman1]

@Enigmatism415 its actually a very good idea. but remember youre dealing with communists. frankly they can never be trusted. they never want to share any power. they just want it all. and also, realize that the p.r.c stresses the one china policy. so its unlikely they would acknowledge the r.o.c. any sovereignty at all. as far as reunification goes, the r.o.c. has been making great steps that way economically. there hoping that will accelerate reunification.

[bigblondman1]

@dartoolee no, the r.o.c. was in exile as of 1949. 1895 is when japan acquired taiwan from the qing dynasty in perpetuity. so even when the japs surrendered to the r.o.c. on taiwan they still had legal claim to it. only in the sfpt 1952 did the japs turn over all claims of taiwan to the u.s. making them the sole occupying power. the r.o.c. is a subordinate occupying power. the misconception is that military occupying power means sovereignty, it doesnt. international law supersedes military law

[Enigmatism415]

@bigblondman1

In that case, my solution would be for the US, PRC, and ROC to agree upon a new Chinese confederation, in which the PRC governs the mainland while the ROC governs Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Macau. "One China, Two Nations." In this way, The PRC can maintain a unified entity known as "China" while the ROC can maintain indefinite legal sovereignty. Over time, their gap will narrow until true and mutually agreeable unification is possible one day. I know it's a stretch, but it's an idea.

[bigblondman1]

@Enigmatism415 im no expert. but i think the u.s. can transfer its legal authority over to the r.o.c. but the r.o.c. is still considered a government in exile and the law states that there are no methods or provisions that allow a gov. in exile to be given sovereignty. as i said the law would have to be changed. and even if the u.s. could make the exception, they risk provoking the p.r.c. its set up now to make it impossible for the r.o.c. to legally claim taiwan as sovereign of the r.o.c.