Anger and Metallica

"we're raging against who we really are as human beings, what do we do with that? Keep raging?"
Pastor John Van Sloten on Metallica
See full video at
http://vimeo.com/19685640
http://www.newhopechurch.ca/media/video/20040509-metallica.mov
or
http://media.newhopechurch.ca/media/video/wmv/20040509-metallica.wmv

Pastor John's message from May 2004, set to images used in church that day. Learn more about this message at http://www.newhopechurch.ca/page.php?pgid=search&id=searchbrowse&movi...

Pastor John Vansloten's blog
http://www.newhopechurch.ca/jvsblog/

Pastor John's first book
http://metallicaatchurch.org/

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[fixxxer3456]

I want a transcript of this.

[newhopecalgary]

@fixxxer3456

Best bet would be to get the book the John wrote, you can get the first chapter for free here metallicaatchurch org

[7blueblood]

is this video supposed to bash metallica? or what? if he is bashing metallica, wait till he hears the black albums "The God that Failed"

[nicadaemus]

@Constantdoodle - I understand your point. However, where do we draw the line? Does Jesus speak through pornography? Can I find Christ in the Saw series of films? I am a pastor entrusted with the care of God's flock, do I encourage my flock to go pick up the latest Slipknot CD and find Jesus' message in it? We have to be very careful.

[Constantdoodle]

@nicadaemus but if you say that god doesnt speak through bands like metallica then arent you kind of limiting God.... Even satan does gods will.

[nicadaemus]

Before Jesus saved me I loved Metallica. I was a very angry man and found a connection in their music. I don't think liking Metallica sends you to hell. For me their music is so connected to my old life I cannot reconcile it with Christ. Parts of our old life have to be left behind. While this message is compelling I do not remotely believe God speaks through bands like Metallica. While I appreciate Pastor Van Sloten trying to connect with unchurched I'm not sure this is the best route. There i

[Darkit2099]

@JPhinfan86 Yeah, you're a hundred percent right about Ride the LIghtning. But besides that it's also a horror story because the character in the song describes being trapped in the electric chair and dying but then waking up and learning it's a nightmare. Yeah I was totally confused when you said Fight Fire With Fire being about what you said it was lol. Because on that note at the end of the song you can hear rockets shooting off.

[JPhinfan86]

@Darkit2099

Actually I was thinking of the song, "Ride the Lighting" which is everything I said above about criticizing capital punishment. Looking back now I have zero clue why I said that (from the man's point of view) about "Fight Fire with Fire", I know better. I was probably distracted writing something at the same time - no clue. You're right in your description about the conflicts at that time.

[Darkit2099]

@JPhinfan86 "Wrong. Fight Fire with Fire is a criticism of capital punishment told from the point of view of someone about to be executed. Read the lyrics. It's asking if fighting fire with fire actually does anything but feed the human desire to 'get even'. "

No, the whole band has said before that Fight Fire with Fire is about the feared Nuclear War between the US and Russia. Even in an old 1985 show you could hear James saying same thing. The song you were thinking about is Shortest Straw

[opensinner777666]

this is amazing

[GatesRoolz]

@eddgomezHaHa cuz metallica can kick church's ass

[JPhinfan86]

- Metallica has used the bible more than once to indict itself. "The Four Horsemen", "Creeping Death" and "The Judas Kiss" most prominently.