Prosperity Gospel - John Piper

This video says every thing I feel about
Hillsongs prosperity gospel but so much better than I could put into words..

Thanks to cana77 for the original post

http://au.youtube.com/user/cana77

Found here:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ukcV-xtU3hc


and the original description:

John Piper at UCF in Birmingham on Nov 2, 2005.

The full sermon is available at

http://ucfbirmingham.blogspot.com/2005_11_01_archive.html


It Is God That Pursues Us

http://ia340939.us.archive.org/0/items/GodPursuesUs/UCF_2007-04-18.mp3

copy of the video in avi format is

http://www.filefactory.com/file/77b95f/

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[wayneoss]

So where do we draw the line at what is prosperity? If ou earn 30k p/a is that ok , or if you earn over 100kp/a should you then need to repent? i totaly agree with Ps John Piper, Jesus is most glorified when we choose to walk with in the depths of hardship or on the wings of an eagle, should i refuse a payrise at work for the sake of not being a "prosperity beleiver" all i know is the m ore i give God always seems to give back in abundants, is that why i give??? come on!

[hillsongchurch]

1.Hi Wayne

I don't think it has anything to do with your income..

Wealth and prosperity has nothing to do with Gods favour..

Its the fact these prosperity liars are saying to the poorest..give us everything and they do in the hope of hitting the God lottery..and they say to the rich..give us 10% and we will make you feel that your rich because your a better person than the poor"

[hillsongchurch]

2.They focus on giving and collecting more and more.. they create new needs so they can be Gods accountant and all the while supplementing own lifestyle and power.

These so called pastors use the church for their own personal gain..they may not take tithe money directly, but what they do is use it to market their own books and cds..then they invite the other purveyors of greed to speak at conferences and pay them a "love offering" of up to hundreds of thousands of dollars.

[hillsongchurch]

3.Then the Houston's turn around and tour the world collecting their share of "love offerings" ..this allows all these greedy liars to technically say..we take no money from our congregation..its all smoke and mirrors..

[hillsongchurch]

4.Next time your at church ask them to see the accounts

You'll be told you must not have enough faith...

Ask what "love offerings" the Houston's receive while touring..

Once again you'll hit a dead end and be lucky not to get thrown out of church..

Wayne ask some questions and see their response..

Hillsong has a 50% turn over in membership every 5 Years.. these are people lost because there is no real substance to this so called church..its all emotion and no basis to their doctrines.

[RoboDouche]

This is a fantastic little clip.

[johninitforfun]

@KewesProductions 1 TIMOTHY 6:36 SUPPOSING THAT GAIN IS GODLINESS FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF BUT GODLINESS WITH CONTENTMENT IS GREAT GAIN

read your bible you are lost to go to jesus is being called by him because you will love him not money AKA (DEVIL)

[KewesProductions]

Without any prosperity, what would make anyone else feel like accepting Jesus as their savior? What will they have to base their faith on?

[geldofpunk32]

This is correct. Jesus rebukes the rich in the gospels...he says it would be "easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God." Jesus commands a rich man to sell all of his goods and give the proceeds to the poor and needy and he was sad about it! (Mark 10: 17-25) We are not to dwell on possessions but if we come into wealth, he commands us to sell it and give it to those who need it most! {Matthew 19:21). Wealth is not needed as a Christian.

[swoklahoma]

Pastor Piper is right. I first heard this message from David Wilkerson via YouTube. As I watched a few Christian T.V. shows I paid attention. Most of the message was prosperity driven,very little scripture, and most shows didn't even offer an invitation to Christ....

[GenerationY1000]

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits...19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them. This is in the same chapter of the verse saying Do not judge lest ye be Judge. Jesus is very clear to judge those who claim to be from him in order to know if they are true! Now Christ promised persecution and death.

[GenerationY1000]

Jesus said it is not what someones appearance that makes them unclean but what comes out of the mouth, that makes him unclean. Actions, yearnings, cravings and desires show if someone is unclean. Christ said if you are not willing to give up all that you have you cannot be my disciple. So the true Christian in his heart would sacrifice EVERYTHING in order to reach the lost. The Word says it's blessed to be poor and to be humble. How are these things compatible with the desire to be wealthy?

[Skitskumeonme]

don't like them.....pay no attention to them...because it's not your job to judge them...leave that to God...and you have the right to a personal opinion....that just doesn't always mean you have the right to give one....so I ask you kindly...leave them alone..

[Skitskumeonme]

so people who don't know God can get to know him? I don't see what's wrong with having luxuriess if you're still going to bless God after he blesses you...and to me...true worship is when you praise God when he blesses you and praise God even when things go wrong...nbecause you know he'll get ou through it...and I've been watching all your videos..and I 'd just love to know...what gives YOU the right to judge this church? are you not a sinner? ...are you perfect? no I don't think so, so if you

[Skitskumeonme]

I agree and dissagree with this....I see nothing wrong with praising God when you are blessed with a nice house, nice car, good job, nice clothes....God doesn't want us to be unhappy it says ask and you shall recieve..if you ask for a BMW I don't see why God shouldn't give it to you....because when God blesses us..it's not like we aren't going to bless him back by helping his people and that's what hillsong does...they help the poor and the needy, the help get their churches to other countries