Re: An Atheist Discusses Biblical Inerrancy

Bible verses:



To get a context of the situation:
II Kings 23:28 through II Kings 24:20
II Chronicles 36:1-14


Some lineage:
I Chronicles 3:15-16


Jehoiakim and Eliakim are the same person:
II Kings 23:34 cf. II Chronicles 36:4


Jeconiah, Coniah and Jehoiachin are the same person:
I Chronicles 3:16 cf. Jeremiah 22:24 cf. II Kings 24:6 & II Chronicles 36:8-9


Shallum and Jehoahaz are the same person: Jeremiah 22:11 cf. II Kings 23:30


Make a graph of the timeline, it will help.

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[blasphemite]

it's good that you said something though because i had a typo in one of my verses there

[supineny]

whoops. got it. finally! yes, that does indicate a contradiction in the Bible, one of the many.

well, I guess there are people who quote scripture chapter and verse who would simply know what you were saying right off the bat. For me it seemed a bit cryptic. but your points seem sound.

[blasphemite]

you read it wrong. jeconiah begat shealtiel, who begat zerubbabel,

this chain (shealtiel and zerubbabel) appears in both lineages, that is, in matthew and in luke

i find it unlikely that these are 4 different people. if we assume that they're the same two people in both accounts, and if we have established that jeconiah/jehoiachin/coniah are the same person, and if jesus is said to be the future king of judah, then jeremiah 22:24-30 creates a catostrophic contradiction

[supineny]

These verses suggest that Coniah and Jeconiah are probably one and the same, and that Jehoiachin might be yet another name variant of the same name.

If so what does that tell us about the geneology of Christ in Matthew and Luke? You don't spell it out.

I'll guess: This shows us that the geneology of Matthew is likely inaccurate, because it shows Jeconiah as the son of Shealtiel. But we know from these other verses that he is the son of Jehoiakim. Yes?

[bellyofadolphin]

"That's why we call it "faith,"

Precisely. And this is why your religion, is no more valid than my worship of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Both all come down to faith.

However, it is worth noting that your God can not be just in damning people to hell for choosing to put their faith in the wrong religion. If there was imperical evidence he could be, but as it is, its a complete wash.

[blasphemite]

jer 22:24 establishes that coniah is son of jehoiakim

i chron 3:16 names jehoiakims significant sons

ii chron 36:8-9 says jehoiachin reigned when jehoiakim was no longer king

ii kings 24:6 further establishes that jehoiachin is son of jehoiakim and reigns for hiim

i said verse 16 in description by mistake, i'll fix it

with this update please tell me what is not clear

[supineny]

well, i think it's a really interesting topic, don't you?

it was difficult for me to figure out what you meant.

today i tried looking up some of your book/verse suggestions. Jeconiah, Coniah and Jehoiachin are the same person? I don't see how the verses prove that or what that has to do with the conflicting geneologies. I see Jeconiah on the Matthew side - is Coniah or Jehoiachin on the Luke side? don't see it. is point that names are inconsistantly used, might account for differences?

[Philsflyfight]

That's why we call it "faith," bellyofadolphin. As I've stated earlier: God gave man free will, therefore we have the right to determine for ourselves what's right and what's wrong... this means interpreting your personal religion and/or personal values and going from there. I don't take every word of the Bible as rock solid because I know it is imperfect as it has been interpreted and reinterpreted by man, I simply read it, decide for myself what makes logical sense, what's right, and follow.

[blasphemite]

the name is spelled in the description

why watch and comment if you dont give a shit?

[bellyofadolphin]

So in other words. You have no way to accurately determine where "God's word" really is. It could be the old testament, it could be the new testament, both, neither, maybe just the book of revelation, or perhaps half of Peter Pan and one fourth of Brave New World. Sounds like you have a lot of work ahead of you. Enjoy.