MSNBCs Rachel Maddow: Rep. Raul Grijalva's take on social safety net as bargaining chip

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Grijalva appears on this MSNBC news hour to discuss the Obama administration's trial-balloon that puts Medicare and Social Security on the table in budget negotiations with the GOP.
The entire segment can be seen here:
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  • @Nateb123

    It's Godwin...

    revoir, crétin trolls

  • @jag10 Sorry mate. Goodwin's law. It's over. You've lost. And I bid you adieu.

  • @Nateb123

    Again - with the insults and failure to answer.

    Let me put on my psychology hat for a second.

    Answer these question:

    What is your education level?

    Have you always attended public school?

    Have you ever worked, if so - in what sector?

    Were you breastfed?

    Did you have a father figure during your formative years?

    I am fascinated by your thought process, I think I can help you.

  • @jag10 I counter with the simple observation that you're an idiot. Communist capitalism? Referencing such a dated political extreme instantly ends the argument and the one who suddenly brings up such an idiotic hyperbole as comparing a current political policy with communism or fascism loses the argument. It's Goodwin's law.

  • @Nateb123

    This subject has been written about on a daily basis for over two hundred years in this country - it isn't a paranoid delusion - dolt.

    People from Jefferson to Jackson, from Lincoln to Lindberg, from Menken to Griffin, from Mullens to Kennedy, from Madison to McFadden, from Reagan to Paul.

    Time to pull your head out of the Queen's banker's ass and face reality son.

    I asked you to debunk one of 6 of my fantastic claims - you counter with straw men and red herrings.

  • @jag10 Again, you speak in lists but with no reasoning. What you've just conveyed to me is that you truly are incapable of deduction. You just combine your paranoid delusions with a few facts and make wild accusations.

    By the way, the fed is not even 100 years old and was one of the first of its kind. The Bank of Canada opened in 1935 by comparison so your dating is bullshit. And since you can't even take a moment to make sure you have the right number, you're really not worth ackowledging

  • @Nateb123

    I guess I don't understand Keynes, Bernanke and Geithner.

    So tell me, what was wrong with what Jackson proposed?

    Or what Ron Paul proposes now?

    How was Barry Goldwater wrong about his position that the FED cartel would orchestrate a system that reated a form of Communist Capitalism (like we are rapidly moving towards)?

    Or who/why was Glass-Steagall authorized for repeal?

    - Please address one of the four or go back and try to debunk what i loosely stated in previous posts.

  • @Nateb123

    It is a benevolent system which foists debt upon a country, stripping assets, funding both sides of war, and containing a crony collectivist political class?

    This isn't a brand new policy of central banking., it's the modus operendi for well over 100 years.

    There have been hundreds of books and chronicles about how the FED manipulated the Crash and Great Depression alone. So tell me, why did the FED send billions to Benghazi (Alqaeda HQ Bank) prior to NATO's cluster bombing of Libya?

  • @jag10 Sorry that 1st year economics are so over your head but everything you described is simply the result of your own ignorance. You simply don't understand the system in place so you assume it's malevolent. I like how you just present a list of offenses you think the Fed has committed but provide no reasoning. I could present a list of economic fallacies you just committed in your above list but who cares? Don't bite off more than you can chew. Make one point and avoid silly lists.

  • @Nateb123

    A private banking consortium who collects interest from the treasury, funds the opposition in war, siphons assets from it's host, influences policy, corrupts the political system, is unaccountable/unauditable, strips retirement through inflation, funds terrorism, endorses fractional reserve banking, and prints money from thin air - gives it to who ever the fuck they want - then expects the taxpayer to pay it back, with interest ?

    Don't be so naive. Wake up.

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