The Vegetarian Myth

Peak Moment 191: What we eat is destroying both our bodies and the planet, according to author Lierre Keith, a recovering twenty-year vegan. While she passionately opposes factory farming of animals, she maintains that humans require nutrient-dense animal foods for good health. A grain-based diet is the basis for degenerative diseases we take for granted (diabetes, cancer, heart disease) - diseases of civilization. Annual grain production is destroying topsoil and creating deserts on a planetary scale. Lierre urges the restoration of perennial polycultures for longterm sustainability.
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[narkfly]

@LCHFinCanada People who love to argue about how their diet doesn't inflict "that much" pain on the animals they are eating have missed the fundamental fact that you've taken something that doesn't belong to you. This is same reason it is unacceptable to take the life of a human child, the life of a slave - that life and the potential it holds is not yours and therefore isn't yours to give or take. None of these - the child, the slave, the animal - freely give you their life. It is stolen.

[narkfly]

@LCHFinCanada You're pointing out the LCHF participants could have cheated. Following your logic the HCLF participants could have cheated as well, and yet scored better results than the LCHF group. You may as well point out that those scoring the tests could have been some of the undercover "vegan trolls" you love to talk about. While it doesn't test anyone's preferred ratios, isn't on the scale of a population study, and isn't 2 years or longer, it does suggest *some* difference in results.

[FathomlessJoy]

@Smoroga As for the Massai people, have you really looked into their lives? What you find may be disturbing. First they have the lowest life expectancy of any people on Earth, according to the World Health Organization. Be careful who you blindly quote to support your bad living, as they may be equally as blind....

[FathomlessJoy]

@Smoroga Many of us cling to an idea I call "smoking gun science," wherein we trust that there are scores of scientists who are working day and night to keep us safe finding the smoking gun of ill health and will tell us on TV tomorrow. We think that in absence of this smoking gun, this solitary culprit that harms our health, we can eat anything we want and not suffer consequences.

[FathomlessJoy]

@Smoroga "You have to find a study from before 1920" Actually the China Study showed tons of evidence that meat and dairy cause boat loads of disease. But here we go scientist shopping, right? All we have to ask is: why does the country that produces, promotes, and consumes, more dairy than any other nation, have the highest rights of bone cancer and osteoporosis than any other nation? Be your own experiment, find out for yourself.

[FathomlessJoy]

@LCHFinCanada This is exactly the content of natural foods: 80% carb, 10% fat, 10% protein, right doctor? In fact 80 carb is the bare minimum and 10/10 of protein/fat is maximum. We have to get into processed foods, oils, and of course rotting animals bodies before we see this ratio radically perverted, right?

Now you claim to be a cardiologist, can you please show us evidence? Doctors Esselstyn, Campbell, Graham, McDougall, et al are all are up front about their names and qualifications.

[FathomlessJoy]

@narkfly You are SO right! This is why it is crucial we see this for ourselves, not rely on authorities, whether politicians, priests, profiteers or the scientists they all employ. Most folks, not just about eating aniaml flesh but about most things in life, rely on what others say, most often ignoring what's here to see with our own eyes. The fact is scientists will never prove any of this, each person must see for themselves it is wrong to rape and torture animals and eat their rotting bodies.

[FathomlessJoy]

@LCHFinCanada "again, I'm waiting for your overwhelming scientific evidence, not your OPINIONS on pain and exploitation." This demand for evidence is ironic, as you claimed to be a cardiologist many times and never provide evidence to back it up.

However, we do not need opinions and arguments that animals are suffering a great deal under the barbaric dictatorship of man; we can see if for ourselves. Watch Earthlings and see the truth of how you and most Westerners live: watch?v=FHA4HNbmDLg

[ChicCynic]

@LCHFinCanada I'm sorry to say that I don't think you will get in an educated discussion with narkfly. Unfortunately YouTube is a horrible platform to do so. Maybe a video debate would suffice then all of the users with actual knowledge could step up to the plate and discuss it with u. I would be interested as to what actual sources you use on a day to day basis and would appreciate it if you could share them. All I get is pro Vegan sources and would like the differing opinion.