Greg Bahnsen vs Stein - The Great Debate (part 11 of 14)

Greg Bahnsen vs Gordon Stein - The Great Debate: Does God Exist? (part 11 of 14)

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[PhobosDeimos1992]

It's funny how Stein keeps appealing to arbitrary standards as absolutes, as if repetition will make it so.

[kikrlbs]

Bahnsen says that Stein called his statements "irrational" and just because he said it doesn't make it so. So then how can you say that God created everything isn't irrational statement because just saying it doesn't make it so. You know what, I understand both sides (sort of) but to say you have the absolute truth, all you need to do is disprove one variable and its not absolute anymore. On the other hand if you say "prove to me god exists" then you have to prove all of the variables.

[JanJiska]

@JPBuysjr,

Thanks for being decent!

"But you never think wow it sucks to think that your life and your kids life is ultimately heading no where...?"

To be honest it just makes it more important to me that we live every day to its fullest and take every chance we can to celebrate our lives together.

However, even if I did think it sucked - what I do or don't think does not change anything. A super powerful, infinite almighty God will not suddenly exist simply because I prefer it to.

[JPBuysjr]

@JanJiska IM not gonna insult or chirp you. I could say a couple things. You being a father is one hundred percent respectableand honourable. But you never think wow it sucks to think that your life and your kids life is ultimately heading no where, your just a blind mass of matter+chance in a universe by chance bound to destruction? Also nobody becomes a Christian for a better life. People become Christians to escape the wrath to come, and to find the joy found in Christ.

[JanJiska]

@JPBuysjr,

"When something tragic happens ... who or what do you turn to."

My family and (non imaginary) friends.

"I got raped, oh well! there is no one there to help me"

Apparently God was not otherwise how would you have been raped? Why do millions of Christians suffer in the same ways as non Christians?

"my life is meaningless anyways"

My live involves being a good husband and father, that is plenty meaning for me!

"Welcome to atheism"

swing and miss - thank you for playing.

[JPBuysjr]

@JanJiska hahahahah, what! When something tragic happens to you the atheist who or what do you turn to. I got raped, oh well! there is no one there to help me, its a chance universe and my life is meaningless anyways and there is no where to go or look to. Welcome to atheism

[JanJiska]

@YHWHisSovereign,

"It is true that they know there is a God, but they suppress that truth"

Actually it is the opposite. This is why theists are devestated when their children die, go to hospital when they are injured rather than staight to priests etc. Deep down they know there is no God but they keep trying to convince themselves otherwise.

[YHWHisSovereign]

A consistent atheist would not even bother arguing. I have yet to meet a consistent atheist. It is true that they know there is a God, but they suppress that truth.

[1120110]

You're the man Greg!

[JanJiska]

@Xerxal,

"You see, the Bible teaches that everyone, being made in the image of God, has a conscience, and therefore carries His moral requirements everywhere they go"

Then you agree that one does not need to be a Christian to be moral as these morals are hard wired into everyone regardless of religion.

[JanJiska]

"We've rationalized abortion, and in the process we've killed more people than Hitler ever dreamed of killing."

Abortion has a use for medical reasons imho. Although God killed more people than Hitler (a Christian) could ever dream of.

"Assume the opposite"

Assume anything you like, it does not make your God anymore real.