A response to Geert Wilder's Fitna (From the Council of Ex-Muslims) 2/3

The Council of Ex-Muslims respond to the movie Fitna, a short film made by controversial Dutch politician Geert Wilders.

Fitna sought to demonstrate that the Qur'an, and Islamic culture in general, motivates its followers to hate all who violate Islamic teachings. It can be viewed here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rxLR0RGKfc

The Council of Ex-Muslims state that Fitna is more anti-immigrant than anti-Islam, in that it labels all immigrants coming from the Middle-East as being the source of the problem. (This interview was made before the recent controversy, where Dutch courts prosecuted Geert Wilders for making anti-Islamic statements).

Note: This is very likely a highly controversial topic and thus I encourage you to share your views on this topic in the comment section, whatever they might be.

Credit:
Council of Ex Muslims
http://www.ex-muslim.org.uk/

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[mrlurp]

They want to criticize the maker of Fitna yet they want people prosecuted for criticizing Islam. Can you say irony?

[PiroNiro]

"yet they want people prosecuted for criticizing Islam."

Who does?

[mrlurp]

Those who are for sharia law.

[PiroNiro]

Ah OK.

[mrlurp]

Sorry was a showing ignorance in some way? I admit Im not very smart but what I got from these videos was a complaint that all Muslims were put into one category as insane religious nuts by the Fitna movie, where I would say to that they who feel guilty need to apply.

Not trying to get on your good side here but Im a fan of your channel.

[PiroNiro]

"Sorry was a showing ignorance in some way?"

No no no! I didn't mean anything like that at all. When you said they wanted to persecute people for criticizing Islam, I thought you were talking about the people speaking in this interview as opposed to those Muslims you were referring to!

I get mixed up with the pronouns sometimes.

All the best.

[tattypatty]

This is all liberal bullshit guilt. Theo Van Gogh died like a fucking animal on the street. If a muslim cleric were stabbed to death on a Western European street, there would be violent protests and bloodshed in every capital...

[Aegialeus]

8blkcat

Do you call quoting the Koran in Fitna propaganda...am I missing something here!!!?

The propaganda is in the smoke and mirrors of these so called ex-Muslims who still feel obliged or connected to their Muslim relatives and freedoms.

When the extremist Muslims commited their terror acts & anti-freedom & anti-anything-non-Islamic protests, I do no see the overwhelming so called moderate Muslims stand & be counted against the so called radical Islamists.

Who do you think your kidding.

[deeryker]

wankers,,,fukkin wankers  no brains

[TTFLS]

Hahahaha why do they even discuss that dirty little piece of PowerPoint amateurism? I mean my movie maker could have done better then that.. Its like the guy says, its an anit-immigrant movie.. So lets throw Geert out of Europe! Signed, an Islam hating Atheist!

[yerk3]

@cryfreeedom The situation in the Middle East is a tangled mess of nationalism, poverty, corruption and intra-religious chaos. To pin it all on Islam is mind-numbingly simplistic. There aren't going to be stonings or amputations in the streets of London, nobody is arguing for that, nobody is trying to make that happen, it isn't a possibility, you're describing a boogeyman who exists only in your head.

[yerk3]

@cryfreeedom There seems to be a span of several centuries that you seem to have been completely unaware of: the Christian era. It wasn't Muslims who torched the Library of Alexandria, it was good, pious Christians, organized by the local bishop. It was they who dragged Hypatia of Alexandria into the street, ripped her skin off with sea shells and set fire to her mutilated corpse. By the time the Muslims got to Egypt, its days as a center of culture had already been over for centuries.

[yerk3]

@cryfreeedom Your knowledge of history is funny. Even 2,000 years ago, Egypt was a shadow of its former self, eclipsed by two empires, one of which was still occupying it, with the intention of streamlining it into a source for wine and grain, with little regard for native traditions.

[yerk3]

@cryfreeedom If your problem is with Islam, speak out against the concept, demonstrate its flaws on an intellectual level. Bashing immigrants, who could be of any religion, is not a way to do this.

[yerk3]

@Belle19700 What's wrong with that? Oh, I dunno, maybe BASIC HUMAN DECENCY?

[yerk3]

@Belle19700 Well, for one thing, not all Muslims are terrorists, and for another, not all immigrants are Muslims. Some are secularists, and as such, sending them back would be a death sentence. If you believe in secular government, then you would be condemning your fellow secularists, purely for the color of their skin.

[yerk3]

@CreativeFreedoms I'm sure Mao cared a lot about China too. Unfortunately, "caring" about a place doesn't mean you know what's best for it or its people. Wilders' kind of "care" would turn the country into something that it is not, and was never meant to be: a racially segregated fascist state.

[yerk3]

@cryfreeedom So then, your beef is not with Islam, per se, but rather with immigrants, specifically of the non-white variety?