Who is Jesus? Traditional Judaism vs Messianic Judaism

Traditional Judiasm says you can't be a true Jew and believe in Jesus in the Messiah.

Messianic Judaism says you can't be a true Jew UNLESS you believe in Jesus the Messiah.

The stakes are high, both communities say the choice will effect your eternal destiny. Check it out and find out for yourself, who is the Messiah.

Rabbi David Blumofe & Dr. Michael Brown debate on if Jesus is who he said he is. Is Jesus the Messiah of Israel and the world? This debate was hosted on Sid Roth's show Messianic Vision

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[templebethhashem]

The problem with this debate is that it not between a real Messianic Jew and an Orthodox Jew. It is between a Nicene Christian and an Orthodox Jew. Nicene Christianity, whether it calls itself Messianic or not, is at odds with the Bible and Judaism. Authentic Messianic Judaism is not. Authentic Messianic Jews are Jews not Christians. Rebbe Y'shua's teachings are as Jewish as those of the Lubavitcher Rebbe's, Rav Nachman's and so on.

[bupkiss2009]

@4trahasis continuation...by prophesying the second servant whom He would raise up to free Israel from bondage, his name was Cyrus, his name foretold by God through Isaiah long before Cyrus was born. 3: The third Servant of the lord would be a light to all nations fulfilling the task that Israel had failed to achieve. He would be the Salvation of jacob and would reconcile him with Judah. This Servant would rid Israel of the sin that caused it to be sent into exile in the first place.

[bupkiss2009]

@4trahasis The book of Isaiah refers to three different servants that God will use. 1: Israel or the house of Jacob was to be a light to all nations holding fast to the knowledge of the One True God while all other tribes and nations forgot God so that they could turn to their own ways; however Israel had failed at this task and was to be sent into exile in Babylon. 2: Isaiah was instructed by God to ease the minds and hearts of those who remained faithful to him in Israel..Cont..

[bupkiss2009]

@4trahasis Continuation: sorry its posted backwards ....There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace,On the throne of David and over his kingdom,To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore.The zeal of the LORD of hosts will accomplish this. Isaiah 9:6-7

[bupkiss2009]

As for Christians believing Yeshua Moshiach being G-d Himself, it is best said by prophet Isaiah For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders;And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. Cont....

[bupkiss2009]

@4trahasis @4trahasis A: Isaiah 9:6-7, B: Isaiah 9:7, 11:1-2, 11:10, 22:22, 42:1-4, 53:3, 53:9, 53:12 C: Isaiah 50:6, 53, 25:8, 60:1-3 D: Isaiah 28:16, 49:6, 59:20-21.

These are only a few answers to your questions and found in one book. These are undisputed messianic texts found in Isaiah, I would challenge you to read them, esp chapter 53.

[4trahasis]

This has nothing to do with whether or not Yeshua is Moshiach: where in TaNaKh is there evidence of A) G-d incarnating as a man, and B) that man being Moshiach, C) necessity of his death and resurrection, D) salvation only through belief in this incarnation?

What of all the men who spoke with G-d, without intermediation of a son? What of repentance then?

Maybe more Jews might consider the potential of Yeshua as Moshiach if there wasn't this Christian insistence on Moshiach being G-d Himself.

[DrPunjabi]

Mr Roth by this wonderful inspiring lecture you have shown what true

pure christianity in its real meaning is:

its purest messianic judaism. Todah rabah, you have given me the

most pleasant christmas lecture I ever heard.

[hesedken]

What determines a Jew, a Hebrew? The answer is simple: Patrilineal law. See Numbers 36: 5-13. Today we have many people claiming to be Jews who are not of the Hebrew (Jew) succession inheritance. Many are not even Semitic! Even if some are partially Semitic, if their lineage is not patrilineally Hebrew, such still can not qualify for participation in authentic, Hebrew congregation. Simply, Jewish people are deceived and contradict the Torah. And the misled world doesn't even notice the delusion!

[yahokobbenyah]

Christians, Muslims, Jews, and Messianics are all wrong and are going to be exiled into outer darkness for their crimes against the Kingdom of Heaven. 1John 3:4-10 shows you who truly is saved from their sins (crimes). Those who break (transgress) the Laws of Yahuwah are criminals and deserve to be punished. God is fixing to kill billions of people to cleanse this earth of the Illuminati and all the rest of those who rebel against the commandments (laws).