Debunking Mary Apparition in Warraq, Egypt

In this video I try to expose the "Mary Apparition(s)" that supposedly occurred at a Coptic church in Warraq, Egypt (suburb of Cairo) on 11 December 2009. This "apparition" was officially approved by the Coptic Orthodox Church and is today presented by many as a prime example of miracles happening today. Well, if this is the best they've got, then I pity them.

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[nazaharin]

As far as i know, Virgin Mary will appear as human as she is ... so there would be no skeptic & no debunked. Observed the history of the apparitions.

[wimsweden]

@nazaharin

That didn't make much sense. Care to clarify?

[xzxb7c]

One more thing. Just as believers are prone to seeing what they want to see. So are the people that don't believe. The non-believer is willing to accept conspiracy over the miracle.

[wimsweden]

@xzxb7c

"The non-believer is willing to accept conspiracy over the miracle." I'm not a fan of conspiracy nuts, but a hoax/exaggeration/mass delusion will always be more preferable to a claim of supernatural intervention. This is both justified by our understanding of how the world works (i.e. naturally) and the track record of "miracles" like this actually being hoaxes, mass delusions, etc. in the different religions.

[xzxb7c]

Also, I have relatives that live there and they were witnesses as well. As far as your hypothesis - they have merit but they do not debunk this. They are many phenomena in the world that still elude our understanding. I have seen works first hand. Despite being an engineer and a radiological physicist I have been amazed at what is possible yet unexplained.

[wimsweden]

@xzxb7c

"They are many phenomena in the world that still elude our understanding." That's a non-sequitur: the fact that other things are unexplained doesn't mean this one cannot be or has not been explained.

"I have seen works first hand." Such as?

[jobish1977]

You have really worked hard not to believe in this, haven't you?

[KaiserFailed]

@xzxb7c for all we know, it couldve been an alien lifeform. sorry.

and a women from an ancient book is going to magically float in and outside a church...glowing? lol sorry. but c'mon..

[wimsweden]

@xzxb7c

"there were thousands of eyewitnesses to this event." So? Many of those said in news reports that it was just a light show.

"This made the Egyptian state run media news." "Jesus" on cheese toast makes international headlines. What's your point?

"The Coptic Orthodox Church officially declared this an apparition" No, they "approved" it, which is a different thing.

"The video I witnessed was on the web at one time" Sure, the most compelling video magically disappeared.

[xzxb7c]

I will reiterate again that there were thousands of eyewitnesses to this event. Christians, Muslims, and non-believers. This made the Egyptian state run media news. The Coptic Orthodox Church officially declared this an apparition - and they just don't do it if there wasn't merit to the apparition. The video I witnessed was on the web at one time, it showed the apparition move from the entrance of the church and then move up between the two towers..