We want bosses? Chomsky vs. Austrolibertarian

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Education

Tags:

• capitalism
• socialism
• anarchism
• chomsky
• austrolibertarian

[DeflocculatedDentist]

@Austrolibertarian I think the most reasonable explanation of why most people work for a boss is the actual history of the industrial revolution. There are a lot of factors, like being unable to compete, serfs being forced of their land, etc., but it was rarely people wanting to work for a boss. Now it's just rigged by 200 years of history to make self-reliance very difficult.

[DanLackey]

Silber certainly lets out his inner reptile in his pathetic attempt to argue against Chomsky.

[KrugmanTheKing]

@DeflocculatedDentist

The problem such as I see it is, again, the condition listed here is empirically demonstrated as missing and being substantially too marginal a reality to even be considered a sensible argument.

But in his time, as he stresses, most people were neither masters, nor slaves in any way. Which, apparently, no longer is our case. And, if you ever wondered, yes: Lincoln did endorse the view that being hired or being bought was sensibly the same thing unless you could break free

[KrugmanTheKing]

@DeflocculatedDentist

In a speech in Wisconsin in 1859, Lincoln sustained that the condition for the wage system of the North to not be comparable to the slavery of the South is for men to be able to one day themselves be free and hire others. It was social mobility, he maintained, that was the key to justifying it because it was indeed acknowledged by all that renting yourself was slavery and that, in term, wage labor was to allow people to be part of a free labor.

[NDPdEport]

this random white kid. he is dumb

[toseeornot2see]

I don't prefer to work for a boss who prefers to run the workplace in an authoritative manner, but have no choice since I need extra cash to cover my expenses as a student.

Sure, things are made simple for me by having a boss, but that only shows the lack of negotiating power that I have. It does not prove that I am absolutely happy working for a boss.

[bozolazic]

...Now, you tell us to work for a living, but the Great Spirit did not make us to work, but to live by hunting. You white men can work if you want to. We do not interfere with you, and again you say why do you not become civilized? We do not want your civilization! We would live as our fathers did, and their fathers before them."

---Crazy Horse - Sioux

[blackmichael75]

@debsaid That's you. A lot of people don't have that kind of choice. Because they can't afford it. The thing that forces them to work for a boss is their need, their hunger. The point is not for you or I to become a boss, but to get rid of all bosses.

[Spillers72]

large worker cooperative could give workers the ability not to have to manage the day to day operation of the business, they like a corporation could hire managers for that, the difference being that the managers are accountable to them rather than a few stock holders. They thus are still the boss but without having to constantly make day to day management decisions.

[debsaid]

@SUpersaiyajinjerkbag Personal attacks do nothing to strengthen your argument - if you even have one. (Besides, I am from MA, so I guess that dismisses your 'redneck' classification.)

[SUpersaiyajinjerkbag]

@debsaid

Yeah but you're still a biatch. You're more likely a redneck than a badass

[debsaid]

I work for a guy that owns this company; he's my boss. And you know what? I'm not a slave and he is not a 'tyrant'. There was no coercion involved. I CHOSE to work there. I can leave and start my own business if I want.

(I did work at this one place where I dislike the manager very much. So I left.)