Horses, chariots, elephants in The Book of Mormon

The following is a partial rebuttal to the anti-Mormon video Bible vs. The Book of Mormon. Scholars go over evidence and discuss horses found in Pre-Columbian times, chariots, and elephants. This is an abbreviated version of a full-length video which FAIR (www.fairlds.org) will be releasing soon

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[bennchaca]

This is so amazing ..... that these two goof balls have actually made a living all these years promoting convoluted thinking in a quasi academic environment for the sake of LDS fantasy.

[chuska8383]

Is it just me or is this the (quasi) academic equivalent of grasping at straws?

[tapirrider]

There were no horses in America after the end of the ice age, until the arrival of Europeans after Columbus. DNA studies of horses are supporting the historical and archaeological record. One example of the peer reviewed professional journal studies is "Iberian Origins of New World Horse Breeds" in the Oxford Journals, vol 97, issue 2, pp 107 - 113.

Claims that horses have been proven to be in America before Columbus are without merit. No professional journal of science supports those claims.

[tapirrider]

LDS members who watch this video need to know that the statement of a horse in the upper Midwest at the time of Christ is wrong. The horse skull had been identified in 1964 as a hoax. Radiocarbon dating of the skull was published in 2004. It dated to the time of the hoax, not the time of Christ. The video was made after 2004, after the facts about that horse skull had been published. The video mention of a horse in the upper Midwest is in reference to a known hoax.

[1kdtaylor]

Wow. I don't believe I've ever seen so many comments that are so blatantly guilty of committing the ad hominem fallacy in my life.

[1overthehillsfaraway]

When I watch these two guys I can't help but wonder... how can people be so fucking stupid? Seriously... how can people who are reasonably intelligent come to such irrational conclusions? It is a puzzle to me. Is it just because they are trying to look for facts that support some kind of preconceived idea? It's sad.

[rebelnomo]

This is utterly ridiculous, when you have to shoe horn the facts into fitting, then you're probably on the wrong track.

[sethbockholt]

Science is never a "done deal" There have been thousands of horse remains in america, however none dated are pre-Columbian to 10,000 bfp. Strata, especially in caves is easily disinterred due to animal behaviors and caves being a natural shelter for animal. But look it's not just horses or elephants, its, swords, armor, cattle, domestic sheep, the geography, the battlefields, the cultures, the religious remains there is little to nothing. Don't give up, but be realistic about what you find.

[tenger77]

These two asshats are just trying to bullshit as long as possible hoping for a church calling that pays a living stipend. Greedy fuckers.

[JSeely218]

This video clip proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you truly can not fix stupid! so if I were mormon i would stand and say...I testify that I feel that the holy ghost (Casper) has revealed to me by a vision that this video is real...i can feel it, i can feel i, ti can feel it, i can feel it, i can feel it,i can feel it, i can feel it! oops! I made a mess in my pant's!!

[fairldsorg]

@justafrinian It hasn't been published yet, but you can read the preliminary finds in a lecture he gave at the FAIR conference a few years ago called "Science and The Book of Mormon" by Wade Miller. He also has a book by that same name.