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Biblical "contradictions" #4: What is pi?

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Many atheists like to exploit apparent errors in the bible. In this series of videos, I will be refuting some of the claims made by them.
In this video, I'll be looking at the claim that the bible teaches that the value of pi is 3.0, when we now know it's 3.14. This comes from 1 Kings 7:23.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i2/pi.asp

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  • I know your "answers" are bogus just by looking below the video. you get all of your information of answersingensis. That makes your information about as believable as asking a 2 year old to teach me pyhsics.

  • You are pretty young but nice try kid. Maybe one day you will be able to see the other side of things and not inprison yourself in religion. Atleast we can see that it will be your choice and not something your parents forced you into. Just please don't be one of those fundies that wants ID taught in school and the bible posted on every govt building. I have said my peace! OUT!

  • It's not a contradiction it's just an error. They had no universal accurate measurement system so the Bible authors just put the rough numbers in.

    However, the Egyptians built the pyramids 2500 years before the bible using pi of 3 and 1/7 (3.1428) which is more accurate. This makes me think the people who wrote the bible probably did not understand that much about pi, indeed perhaps they believed it was exactly 3 which gives rise to the idea of a trinity. There, explained.

  • Atheists and other people ignorant of scripture perpetuate the lie that the Bible says pi is 3.0. They conveniently leave out the thickness of the brass bowl, which is clearly found in 1kings 7-26. If you include the thickness, you can make a formula (30cubits/pi + 2handbreadths = 10cubits). 30cubits is the INSIDE diameter. I have made an AutoCAD drawing of this example if anyone is interested, or if anyone STILL things the Bible is wrong about pi. It's just an atheists common mistake.

  • I'm a fairly ardent atheist, but I must admit, I never liked this contradiction.

    It seems like you're picking at such small issues when you bring this up. How's this for an explanation? Their measurements were not entirely accurate, and they said "close enough".

    This is not the nail in the coffin that many atheists seem to think it is. There are plenty bigger, sturdier and more obvious ones in there. This argument is just kind of pathetic.

  • The first recorded case of the use of pi was approximately in the year of 2000 B.C. The ancient civilizations at this time one example is mesopotamia used a much cruder value they used just 3.... p=3 if you researched ancient history before you start spreading lies you would know this. using just 3 wich they did in those times the math works out. Next time research before you post things you don't know about

  • 1) As I said, we cannot be sure whether or not it was the Hebrew cubit. What we do know is that in the bible, cubits are never divided into parts. Period.

    2) No idea what you're talking about here. The diameter was from 'brim to brim', clearly the brim of the vessel at the top, and the circumference was 'a line of 30 cubits' which 'did compass it round about'. This seems to indicate 30 cubits being measured around the vessel.

  • 1) "The Hebrew cubit (אמח or ammah an arm) is today held to be the same as a Roman cubit as used by Flavius Josephus." (Conservapedia, 'cubit'). The Roman cubit was also divisible into 24 fingers and 6 palms.

    2) I never said you were. I said THEY (the writers of the Bible) are using the word "brim" in both 23 & 26, they are talking about the external dimensions only. There is no indication that they are suddenly talking about something else.

  • 1) Apoligies, I don't know why I said that. Having looked at the site which I put on the side, the cubit apparently used was the Hebrew cubit. However, we cannot be sure. But the point is, cubits in the bible are not split up. The cubit was rounded. It's not as precise as maybe it could be, but so what? The measurements were not important.

    2) I never said they used internal dimensions. 'Brim to brim' clearly meant across the top where the lip was. The circumference was probably around the body.

  • 1) You said, "The Egyptian cubit was used in all measurements in the bible", and I told you the Egyptian cubit was divisible into 7 palms or 28 fingers. Why would "The cubit used in the bible would not have been divided"? You have said yourself, "There are half cubits" which would be 14 fingers, 1/4 cubits would be 7 fingers, and 1/3 cubits would be 9 1/3 fingers.

    2) Because they are using the word "brim" in both 23 & 26, they are talking about the external dimensions only.

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