Bob Coy on Science vs. Faith

Many people dismiss the Bible because they believe is makes no mention of dinosaurs. The truth is, the Bible does speak of dinosaurs and covers a history that is scientifically and geologically proven. For more from Pastor Bob Coy go to activeword.org/blog

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[DBKing120]

Good point Bob. My children "discovered" the dinosaur verses when they were younger. As the science of genetics grows, the theory of evolution shrinks. Most universities I visit have stopped requiring evolutionary classes because the science of molecular genetics pushes the theory of evolution into a "fantasy state" as one student commented while trying to reconcile his science classes with his personal belief that evolution was a fact.

[bluespy95]

@djk28161 BTW Jesus created Christianity he was the first christian, and Jews generally don't acknowledge the new testament, anything else about my religion and others that you would care to teach me?

[bluespy95]

@djk28161 lol go take some more of your magic chill pills, and i turned a crack house into low income housing for 2 homeless veterans, i am far from rich. i am actually a lot more educated then you if you read my other post, you my friend has simply made a completed jerk out of your self with you 4 post that are a complete waste of pixels.

[djk28161]

Dipshit moron....Using Christ's name to glorify himself

[djk28161]

@bluespy95 Allow me to speculate....dipshit....U R white middle to upper class spoiled uneducated.....The kind Christ chastized....oops an ignorant crackpot like u likely does not know what such word means......Read up on the history of Evangelical "Christianity" get educated and you may see things differently BTW asswipe Christ was a Jew .....FACT

[djk28161]

@bluespy95 Really dipshit??? How many homeless drug addicts have you helped today or this week??? I would guess zero cuz U "Christians" R too good for such people....Christ would slap assholes like you appear, by your attitude and words, to be

[djk28161]

@bluespy95 Look who is talking I capitalized to emphasize what an asshole you are....Learn to spell bozo...It is Pastor ....not paster...U idiot....Furthermore...Crackpo­t....CAPITALIZE BIBLE........U dipshit...That is God's word...U uneduacted asswipe

[bluespy95]

@Atriviality the only similiarties it has with woodpecker is a similar body design, and a pointed bill so it can reach into tight spaces and eat insects.

[bluespy95]

@djk28161 alright all the caps and failed grammar obstructed my reading of this post, i am not here to have a cursing match, feel free to put in some valuable comment but this "crackpot" as you call him is the head paster of a church of over 20k people ( he started the church), he has read the entire bible many times he has even done long sermons working his way from genesis to revolution. btw whats "the least of chrits" and i know how to love, how about you learn to relax.

[djk28161]

@bluespy95 You are a fuckwad idiot...Christ would slap uour ass if He were here...He was asn aceepting, loving man and also God at the same time...CraCKPOTS LIKE YOU AND THIS ASSHOLE NEED TO LEARN ABOUT TGHE LEAST OF CHRIT'S AND LEARN TO LOVE U DIPSHIT

[Atriviality]

@bluespy95

"my point is things in the middle cannot and do not exist, and that a gradual change still wouldn't be possible. even gradual chance a wood pecker cant survive."

- (clue stick ready) The Antillean Piculet (nesoctites micromegas) doesn't have a lot of traits that all other woodpeckers do (it has a weaker beak, a softer tail, can't jackhammer into wood, etc) because it branched off from the rest of them about 8 million years ago, and it survives just fine.

[bluespy95]

@Atriviality yes, i am referring the the ones that actually do. let me bring out my clue stick cause now your being ignorent, my point is things in the middle cannot and do not exist, and that a gradual change still wouldn't be possible. even gradual chance a wood pecker cant survive.

[Atriviality]

@bluespy95

"things in the middle CANNOT exist."

- Let me just bring out the clue stick again.

What is it about GRADUAL change over SUCCESSIVE GENERATIONS do you not understand? This isn't like X-Men where 1 bird is miraculously born with a super hard skull, but rather a POPULATION of birds GRADUALLY improving successful traits over GENERATIONS. Antillean Piculet is in the woodpecker family, but doesn't have some of the traits of other woodpeckers because it doesn't hammer into wood.

[bluespy95]

@Atriviality yes but,

1, things in the middle CANNOT exist. You can not have a wood pecker with only a harder skull or only a more narrow pointed bill, or only special impact absorbing tissue, and because nothing can survive between normal bird, and wood pecker, how do we have wood peckers? and it is impossible for 1 or 2 genetic problems in the DNA can cause the bird to acquire all those changes at once.

[Atriviality]

@bluespy95

"yes but look at the gaps"

- Sigh. Let me just get out my clue stick to beat you with.

1. Evolution is a GRADUAL change in the characteristics of a POPULATION over SUCCESSIVE GENERATIONS.

2. Cabbage don't one day sprout broccoli, but we know that around 200 years ago, cabbage farmers DEVELOPED broccoli over SUCCESSIVE harvests.

3. The Antillean Piculet is a woodpecker that doesn't hammer into wood like other woodpeckers, and is what you might call an "in-between stage".

[SmokeCho7]

@bluespy95 Consider this point. what is happening in this particular post is not about extraneous ideology. belief in gods is actually irrelevant to the discussion. Take the facts that you have, one way or the other, and prove them to yourself. Understand what a fact is first. I simply say this because I hear myself 30 years ago in your words. I enjoyed AWANA too, but when it came time to think...rather than to accept blindly what I was told, I had to change

[bluespy95]

@SmokeCho7 I am always delighted t o have a debate just ask my teachers :D. I try to use logic and facts in my debate, i don't want to blow off the handle as so many people do. and its impossible to changed everyone's mind, but if i change jsut one persons mind, make one person believe in god and become a christian, it was worth all the effort.

[bluespy95]

@SmokeCho7 Even as there are over 400 dog breeds all belonging to one species (Canis familiaris), so many species can belong to one kind.

[SmokeCho7]

@bluespy95 I will tell you that you have approached this discussion, and the numerable posts admirably. Thank you for the pleasant discussion so rare these days when talking about this. I can wish you the best in proving your position...not going to convince everyone...but questioning everything never hurt.

[SmokeCho7]

@bluespy95 70% of the worlds water...is salt water. what happens (as a chemical engineer and AP student you may know this) when "world' flooding occurs...your gonna get the oceans mixed it with the fresh stuff...either way things die. I'll let you do the math on how we ended up with different species then. by the way...which dogs were those again...so I have a reference to start from?

[bluespy95]

@SmokeCho7 You still have failed to give me credible proof of evolution, you have simply rejected my statements that evolution isn't possible. And i am a member of AWANA, i study bible versus at church every Wednesday night, i have for that past 12 years (granted i am not 25 years old yet).

[bluespy95]

@SmokeCho7 sorry i have so many post i am not certain which one you are referring to. but adaptation is possible as i have stated, but a fish turning into a walking animal can not happen, a tree turning into a carnivore / herbivore can not happen, those would be kingdom/phylum changes, i state that species changes are possible.

[SmokeCho7]

@bluespy95 I'm thrilled that you are doing well in school. I was a Christian for 25 years so I would be careful of who you accuse of ignorance on your topic. Not only is the bible something I'm very familiar with...each of the major scriptures are in my library. When you have 2 Masters degrees in science...you may change your mind as I have.

[bluespy95]

@SmokeCho7 The bible says it rained for 40 days and 40 nights, were i live, it doesn't rain salt water. and no if you looked in the bible when they says 2 of every species, a male and a female, its not directly stating species, it actually means phylum or family, for example 2 dogs, 2 cats, 2 monkeys, etc and SCIENTIST have proven 2 of every family could have fit. When it doesn't make sense go check the facts, read it in the bible. Genesis chapter 6 if you want to go read up on it.

[SmokeCho7]

@bluespy95 funny...sounds like you just described what evolution is. Thank you for that...you validated my point. evolution is adaptation...survival of the fittest...have you even read Darwin?