Surprise, You're Dead! - 14.05.97 - Faith No More

Faith No More live @ The Astoria, London England on 14 May 1997. Jim Martin's probably angry they went on playing this song, seeing as he pretty much single-handedly wrote it and all.

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[AngelicStorm1]

Mike Patton wrote the lyrics to this one, so Jim Maritn didn't write it "singlehandedly". Also, people go on about how without Jim there would be no FNM, when the fact is FNM would have stagnated had he remained in the band. He only had a hand in the writing of 2 songs on "Angel Dust", considered by most fans as their magnum opus. He was also uncomfortable with the band's schizophrenic, unique style. To evolve, and become and even more unique and great band, they had to get rid of Jim.

[leezus83]

jim would get a royalty for this performance, so he can't complain too much. I think if FNM would have carried on with Jim they would have died in the water, his contribution to the band is legendary because he left at the right moment, this would nnot have been the case otherwise.

[sergiodelroser]

Jim Martin was good....but i think he only was limited to one kind of music..... and patton wanted to experience some other things.....as you can see.....now come to europe and buy a ticket suckers......for those who dont know they are playing all over

[ibanezmancons]

Jim was out of place on stage anyway.

Bottum, Bordin and especially Gould and Patton brought an energy to the stage, and played like they weren't going to have another chance.

With Jim... he just stood there.

This is not to say that Mr Martin wasn't very good, I'd kill for his guitar sound on 'Surprise...'. I just don't agree with all the people who say FNM died with his departure. If anything they grew stronger.

[steelerfreak1977]

My only point is that my favorite albums by FnM were with Jim Martin as their guitarist. The other guy started in on "creative horizons" and I merely pointed out that IMO their most "creative" albums were with Martin on guitar.

By the way, nice name, Billy Gould is one of my favorite bassists.

[gouldbass]

It is a well-known fact that the majority of their songs were written by Bordin, Bottum & Gould + Patton (post 1989).

Therefore, the facts state that this "pure creativity" has very little to do with him and very much to do with the other band members.

"FNM were a superior band with Jim Martin as their guitarist." You rightly stated that this is your opinion, therefore part of your personal feelings. Dont bring that into the argument.

[steelerfreak1977]

Was Jim Martin part of the lineup that created Angel Dust or wasn't he? And to say Jim Martin wasn't a part of the "essence" of the band, when he was there basically from the beginning, is preposterous. Let's not let personal feelings get in the way of facts.

[gouldbass]

To say that TRT and AD are leagues ahead in terms of creativity has got fuck all to do with Jim Martin.

If you listen to Angel Dust, Martin only had input on Kindergarten & Jizzlobber. So you should stop listening to the other 10 tracks on that album. They must clearly suck -by your logic.The only thing good about Martin was his guitar tone.

If you lost Gould, Bordin or Bottum, then you've lost the essence of this band. But Martin? Nah. I like his style and Trey's.

[steelerfreak1977]

I'm not belittling the merits of creativity at all. I'm emphasizing that, in my opinion, FNM were a superior band with Jim Martin as their guitarist. You obviously disagree.

And as for them moving on to far more creative horizons, I submit that The Real Thing and Angel Dust are leagues ahead in terms of pure creativity than King or Album.

[shreddedhamster]

Actually I was just paraphrasing your previous comment; to me it seems absurd for a FNM fan to belittle the merits of creativity, since that's a major part of what the band were always about.

And if you read my first post then you'd see that I'd already admitted Jim Martin was an important part of FNM's sound in the early days. I don't consider his input 'meaningless' at all, but simply feel the band ran their course with him, and went on to write music that was just as amazing without him.