M103A2

This like the Conqueror this was built to out gun the Russian IS III heavy tanks. Its main problem was its lack of power and drivetrain unreliability, orignally it had the same engine as the M48 despite wieghing 13 tonnes more. The M103A2 was reengined with the same diesel as the M60.

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[Sineva1]

ой ебать какая хуйня)))

[soundslave]

Coming to World of Tanks this month. Can't wait to try it out.

[redreaper2020]

god it shows its M60 similarity.

[agt155]

@harry4468 8th Infantry Division?

[randomusernamemygod]

@randomusernamemygod Iraq used a different form of T54/62 and that was the Chinese Type 59/69, which they used in large numbers. The Type 59/69's were copies of the T54/62 and they were improved over the Soviet version with stabilised guns and extra frontal + Turret armour. Again no export models for those tanks also during that time except for the 90's+ with the Type 59P, which is an Advanced Variant that uses third Gen tank components.

[randomusernamemygod]

@grahamkeithtodd Oh for god sake, there is no Export versions of the T55 and T62. The manufacturers never made such a version. The only Soviet produced tank to be made into an export model is the T72 and T90. Give me a product model designation of any export T55 + 62. The standard versions were already quick and cheap to produce thats why the Russians used 2 MBT's. Quality T64/80 and the Quantity T72.

[grahamkeithtodd]

@randomusernamemygod really? ytry asking the indians who bought quite a few of them back in the early 1960's! or the iraqies back in the 1970's!

or even the arab countries who bought a hell of a lot of them to use against Israle in the 1973 war...

having looked really closely at these monkey models and compaired them to the real ones,it is scary!

you have to rememeber that the Russians made the ones THEY would use and then looked at ways to make them quicker and cheaper!

[randomusernamemygod]

@grahamkeithtodd There are no downgraded variants of the T-55 and 62's nor were there export versions. They produced such variants only with the the T-72.

[grahamkeithtodd]

@randomusernamemygod er not quite old son,the Russian make TWO versions of the same tank(and indeed all weapons) the one THEY use and the "MONKEY MODEL" this one has poorer sights,a less powerful engine and gearbox and thiner armour(the main gun is also degraded a bit)

the reason for this is two fold

1 this is the tank they would be making AFTER an all out war and

2 they sell the monkey model to other countries to make money

[StiviGun1]

@randomusernamemygod OK, so what kind of tanks did the Israeli used, other than the M51? I know that the Israelis kicked the crap out of the Arabs in those wars, but what kind of equipment did they use? If you ask me, I think it was a MIRACLE that they managed to win against the more powerful armored forces that the Arabs were equipped with. I don't know how they did it. The M51 and the Patton tanks they used were weaker from every point of view than the soviet armor.

[randomusernamemygod]

@StiviGun1 There were no Export models of the T55. These were standard T55's given to the Egyptians by the Soviets after the pact they made, which the Soviets completely reorganised and trained the "inexperienced" Egyptians in Soviet equipment and Soviet tactics by the 20,000 Soviet advisors in the country before outbreak of war.

Both Egypt and Syria were equipped with T62.obr1960. Standard Soviet T 62 model used by the USSR and Warsaw pact.

[StiviGun1]

@oberchobo a lot of good weapons systems programs during the '70s.

[StiviGun1]

@oberchobo the use of the strategic missiles thus a full nuclear war which would've lead to the destruction of the world. That's why the Americans simply couldn't have used any kind of nukes. Because the use of any type of nukes would've inevitably led to a full nuclear war. So if the soviets did decide to invade Western Europe, there was nothing that America could've done. The soviets were simply better armed from all points of view. This was also in part to stupid, sissy politicians that cut

[StiviGun1]

@oberchobo Well, that's my point. The Americans wouldn't have stood a chance in front of a soviet invasion without using nuclear weapons. They were inferior in conventional weaponry. But there would've been a problem: the Russians also had tactical nukes aimed at Europe. And their tactical missiles were even better than the American ones. Si if the American had used nukes, even tactical ones, the Russians would've done that too and from that point it would've been just a very small step to

[oberchobo]

@StiviGun1 The americans planned to use the territory of the former GDR to drop tactical nuclear bombs on russian tank divisions and so on. Russia attacks and moves into GDR and the americans would´ve dropped the nuclear holocaust over GDR just to stop the russians. They would´nt have had a chance otherwise. The sheer numbers of the russian army at that time speak for itself. No chance for ANY other country to fuck em up in the 70´s. Napoleon learned it, Hitler too, but some people are just dumb

[StiviGun1]

@randomusernamemygod That's not the same. The T-55s the Israelis fought were downgraded export models and they were operated by inexperienced crews. The soviet's armor was much better and the soviet's armor fighting tactics were far superior to those of the Arabs. If a war had started during the '70s, NATO and US would've been completely outnumbered from both conventional and nuclear points of view.

[randomusernamemygod]

@StiviGun1 The same way the Israeli's using M51 tanks took on a numerical superior force of T55/62's.

[dinkumuk]

Well firstly how many hours in MBT's do you have?

How many rounds of main armamant have you fired?

and lastly I thought that it was NATO sorry shall I put it in again NATO fighting the cold war........

[StiviGun1]

@dinkumuk And what are your ARGUMENTS? Tell me, how exactly could the US have won a war against the USSR and the Warsaw Pact during the '70s? What would the US have done in case the communists would've invaded the Western Europe? The communists were better armed from all points of view, in specially in the land warfare arena. They had superior armor, superior artillery and a lot of anti-air power to back these up. They were much better armed than you were.

[dinkumuk]

@StiviGun1

As a cold war tank solider your talking rubbish

[StiviGun1]

@Paciat "Things like that hapened with live ammo" How the hell do you exactly know this? All you have is a shitty video, that's it. Also, I already told you that the incident you see in that video is not caused by the autoloader or the tank. It's stupid to believe this. It probably had something to do with the shell, not the autoloader. This can happen to any tank if the shell is flawed.

[StiviGun1]

@Paciat "You thinkthat there are cameras inside all T-72? How should I "show you"?" So you saw just ONE short video with an isolated incident with a very old model and you assume this happens all the time. Is this your shitty argument?

As for the autoloader, the only reason why there were SOME incidents in which some got their hands cut off was because they didn't handle the autoloader properly, not because it was designed badly. That's just your bullshit.

[Paciat]

@StiviGun1 You thinkthat there are cameras inside all T-72? How should I "show you"?

MAN GOT HIS HAND CUT OF BY THE AUTOLOADER BECOUSE AUTOLODER WAS DESIGNED BADLY. Understand? TANK FIRES A BLANK SHELL THAT EXPLODES INSIDE. EVERYTHING FILMED! Things like that hapened with live ammo, only noone was there to filmed them becouse those were military exercises. Ammo wasnt secured like it is in lets say Abrams.(Ammo hatches blow out and the magazine is separate from the crew)

[StiviGun1]

@Paciat own crew"? This is just pathetic propaganda. "Ask the man without a hand"? Do you know any specific man who had his hand cut off? Do you have any data that this happens on a regular bases? No, all you have is a shitty video with an isolated incident and try to make it look like it's something that happens on a regular bases. And this is BULLSHIT coming from you.

And show me just ONE incident in which somebody was "thrown" in that autoloader. This is the biggest bullshit so far.

[StiviGun1]

@Paciat Superior armor and mobility will help you in real combat. The M-60 Patton would've never had a chance against the T-72 or T-64. And just quit with that stupid hands cut off argument. This probably happend several times and it was excessively propagated by the western media. You act like this happens on a regular bases, which is BULLSHIT. And please tell me with specific data how many times did the autoloader cut off the operator's hands or how many times the tank was a "danger for its