American Airlines Pilot Argues with Control Tower Over Runways, Makes Emergency Landing at JFK

FULL STORY: http://nycaviation.com/2010/05/07/american-airlines-pilot-makes-emergency-lan...

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News & Politics

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• emergency landing
• American Airlines
• 767-200
• air traffic controller

[SMiller5488]

If anyone takes the time to read the story they will see that the pilot saved some lives that day as the aircraft was not capable of landing in that strong of cross wind, he also didn't have enough fuel to get back in line which is why he turned to the runway he wanted and put it down, this pilot rocks, I hope the air traffic controller got fired for second guessing the pilot!

[donjo19]

I outted myself by saying "we". I fly for an airline. Approach controllers constantly tell us to "intercept the localizer" on visual approaches so even the controllers know we fly the ils.

[sennetor]

This is the same controller that spoke to Captain Sully during his ditch in the hudson.

[beergut111]

you dumbasses all need to go back to embry riddle and ask for a refund.

[acherasover]

@donjo19 Well way to out yourself, you're not a commercial pilot. Airliners do not follow the published ILS approaches when on a visual. Visual approaches usually have you perpendicular to the approach course well before the IAF and IF. Meaning you wouldn't be following the same approach course. Maybe you're thinking of following the glide slope, but even then the FARs don't state that you have to be on the glide slope. You just can't see 4 red. Assuming there is a PAPI.

[flammabletube]

@donjo19 I would agree with you BUT I would have to know what all the MDA"S LPV'S and all the rest mean to a person who has not been in an aircraft before

[donjo19]

@acherasover The logic I'm using is that of IFR. All airlines operate IFR, this is why I stated the final approach segment as per the flying handbook beginning at the FAF, even though we do Visual Approaches, we still do the published ILS approaches. And you're correct with the LNAV/VNAV.

[acherasover]

@donjo19 so then by your logic, only aircraft on instrument approaches have final approaches? And I stand corrected, I confused VOR/NDB/SDF approaches with RNAV approaches. However, RNAV approaches DO have DAs, even without it being an LPV approach. such as LNAV and VNAV approaches. And what is the IFH (instr. flying handbook?)? The FAR/AIM definition for FAF is "defines the beginning of the FA segment and the point where final segment descent may begin." You don't have to be IFR to be on final.

[alexancia5279]

He declared an emergency one time, not three lol what a dick face... 

[smartiepantzbabe69]

Retraining definitely needed no wonder American Airlines is circling the toilet......

[donjo19]

@acherasover Very true and the majority of your responses are incorrect. Visual approaches aren't considered as instrument approaches. The majority of RNAV approaches are lined up with the runways and do not have a DA unless it is a LPV approach, they will have a MDA. VOR/NDB/SDF are various approaches that do not necessarily line up with runways. The final approach segment as defined by the IFH "begins at the FAF and ends at the MAP or landing".