0nce a King - King Constantine of Greece pt 3

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[tanjatanya]

@dagmar1991 How deserving you are! This is a straight forward case of Matthew 7:6.

Although his/her English leaves a lot to be desired, I am sure he/she understood perfectly your points. I read a couple of his/her comments in other forums where he/she feigns naïveté on the subject of the Glücksburg gang’s unpopularity. Do you really believe that he/she failed to understand your comments? He/she is simply hoping to confuse the issue after you rendered him/her hopelessly impotent. Move on!

[Rotebuehl1]

@dagmar1991 That's why slavery was abolished much later in their colonies! I didn't get your point! Do I understand it rightly, that were slipping into a debate about "good" and "mean"? If that is so, I ask to stop this immediately! I have no moralistic approach towards history or what is possible to know from history whatsoever!

[Rotebuehl1]

@dagmar1991 Who es "we"? Who's talking about "knowing bad from good"! For all I care, I wasn't...

[Rotebuehl1]

@dagmar1991 As i see, you depart from an assumption that the Atheneian City-State is being criticised! Nothing could be further from the truth! It's no "criticsm" at all, let alone, moralistic an approach! What I wrote in the first place was, that our modern recurrance to ancient greek democracy is merely a myth! There is no unbroken evolution from then to nowadays! To mix women's rights, an evolution from the late 19th, beginning 20th centuries, into this is pointless!

[dagmar1991]

@Rotebuehl1 Since you mentioned Portugal, for what it's worth, check again the year when slavery was abolished in the Portuguese colonies. It should be between 1830 and 1850 (or thereabouts). The loss of the annual revenue from the slavery trade could not be afforded before the late first half of the 19th century.

[dagmar1991]

> Cont. I nowhere say that slavery was abolished first in Britain. I used Britain as an example because they lead in classical scholarship. I could have used another former superpower. But we all tend to be critical of those we can identify with, who are supposed to "know bad from good". In other words, nobody would be severe upon, or criticise Sudan and certain African Moslem authoritarian states where slavery still exists; because we "expect" such antisocial traits from them.

[dagmar1991]

@Rotebuehl1 Can we trace elections amongst the Babylonians, Assyrians, Egyptians, Hittites, or Persians?

Regarding your reference of the "recurrence of democracy to Greece during the Renaissance":- I take it that you mean Europe rather than Greece - because Greece was under Turkish occupation throughout the Renaissance period.

[dagmar1991]

@Rotebuehl1 Regarding abolition of slavery:- You misunderstood the argument. I therefore repeat using different wording:

If we consider that in a country such as Britain, priding itself on Christian charity and fair play, slavery was around as late as 1833, and women did not enjoy equal rights with men until well in to the 20th century, then the Athenian City-State is unfairly criticised by modern scholars on the issue of slavery and attitudes towards women's political rights.

[Rotebuehl1]

@dagmar1991 Very much so! I still don't see how "it started" in 6th century BC Athens! the election principle is not an "invention" of any culture! It's traceable in all high civilizations! Some developed some sort of "democraticity", other didn't! "Democracy" - and believe me, I am a democrat! - evolved in "Christian Europe"! Eventually a recurrence to Greece came up during the rennaissance! But that is not socio-cultural tradition! That's inspiration, the most...

[Rotebuehl1]

@dagmar1991 Thanks very much for entering a "conversation" with me! I like your elaborations! Well-read and erudite! I like that! I'll read your next replies...