God Paradox #2

If god has a perfect vision of the future, is he powerless to change it? If he changes it, then his perfect prediction was not so perfect. Sorry again Mr. Creator, you can't have it both ways.

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[TruthSurge]

Please stop spamming ILLEGAL METH SHOP!  dammit.

[2eelShmeal]

@TruthSurge hahahaha

[TruthSurge]

@GGGENE well, I just rattle on about crap I've found out through my own personal readings and stuff. Some of it is speculative but not without evidence underneath it. anyway, nice chatting!

[GGGENE]

@TruthSurge Ah i see well then im sorry i misunderstood your post. thanks for the info i did not know that. 

[TruthSurge]

@2eelShmeal the truth as I see it: There never WAS a Jesus. Mark is fiction. So are the rewrites (Matthew and Luke). John is also fiction but not so much a rewrite of Mark. Matthew puts those words into the character Jesus' mouth. Matthew then is the one who felt the Mosaic Law would never become void. But Christians are now bound to all of that also since Jesus explicitly is depicted as saying so in Matthew 5:17-18. Not sure it's a later insertion or not.

[2eelShmeal]

@TruthSurge I gotcha. So in the case if Jesus did exist, you think it's likely that the Mosaic laws supposedly defended by Jesus were inserted later by other authors? That's the old jot and tittle line... I remember. If that's true then a possible motive for that would be to link somehow two radically different Testaments. (I think..)

In the case that Jesus never existed, then it's a no brainer that it is all fabrication.

Either way, most likely Jesus never said this, right? IYO?

[TruthSurge]

@2eelShmeal There are some good teachings and yet Jesus claimed that the Mosaic law (all of it) would STILL be in effect until earth passed away. that's a HUGE tactical blunder because the Mosaic law demands gays to be executed among other barbaric laws. If Jesus upheld that as well as the killing of unruly children, well, all I can say is he tried but kind of dropped the ball there. (no, I don't believe he even existed so it's the authors' beliefs I'm attacking).

[TruthSurge]

@GGGENE So, no, it has nothing to do with Catholicism. It has to do with what the NT writers actually wrote at the Greek level (not what the KJV thought they meant).

Just sayin.

[TruthSurge]

@GGGENE Paul's "rulers of this age" were interpreted even by early church fathers to mean the demons and this is also how the pseudo-epigraphal Ephesians interprets it as well. That author calls them the rulers of this DARK age and equates them with the spritual doers of wickedness in "heavenly places". Same verse he says we battle not flesh and blood but spirits etc etc.

Pt I'm making is that there are two strata of Christianity IN the New Testament. gospels/acts and the rest.

[2eelShmeal]

@GGGENE May I cut in?

Here's how I look at it. It matters not if Jesus was God, the son of God or the Devil himself. In fact, it doesn't matter if he ever existed at all. Here's why:

The teachings that are said to have been from Jesus are good teachings to live by for the most part. Jesus never wanted the recognition on him, but wanted his message of humility and philanthropy to be what people concentrated on. Now people go to mega-churches and forget the message. Sad. Jesus would be PISSED.

[GGGENE]

@TruthSurge I see, well at this point i now think we're just arguing over whose information is more valid which is pointless to me. I'm sure Paul claimed that demons were there to smite jesus and I'm sure that neither the jews or romans had any part in jesus's death (sarcasm of course). Your kinda getting into Catholicism which i am familiar with but really don't believe in. So for now all i can say is that i hope you take in my few posts as food for thought as i will for yours

[TruthSurge]

@GGGENE "He didn't kill himself the Jews did. "

Not according to Paul. Paul claims that the demons (rulers of this age) killed Jesus and killed him sometime when the world was made or thereabouts.

Nowhere in the epistles are the Jews or Romans implicated for the death of Jesus. Only in the gospels do you find that. The gospels and acts are a distinctly different layer (later) of Christianity with overlap, of course.