Adam and Eve Chromosomes? Part 2 of 2

Aaron Custance BSc (Biochem), shares a US patent as the co-inventor of a genetic analysis 'Hybridization' technology, and is an independent science and technology researcher.

He asks how it is that the human species with 46 chromosomes, became a distinct from our common ape-like ancestors; who had 48.

Due to the apparent unlikelihood of two identical chromosomal aberrations (telomere-telomere fusions) occurring at the same time and place in ancient history, and the unlikelihood of sexually viable individuals resulting (and going on to produce the entire human race...), he asks if anyone has any information concerning the mechanics and probabilities of these events.

Do we really all stem from two individuals; is chromosome 2 our 'Adam and Eve Chromosome'?

If this is true for us, then is it also true for the speciation of all other animals?

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[acerwizard]

Hi theblackBay, I will have to remind myself of the Downs Syndrome issues, but if you imagine that a single Downs Syndrome couple were to give rise to the entire human population of Earth, that is only a small way to the improbability of the scenario we appear to have now; the chromosomal aberration we posses (as described) is a fantastically improbable one-as far as I can determine-whereas the Downs Syndrome aberration is relatively common.

I will look at the 'Issues..' when I have a mo.

[BeautyHealthZoneBlog]

Yes, but I heard that there were human beings with 48 chromosomes and they were not ape-like but perfectly formed fertile humans, how do you explain that then?

Just shows you that some of this science stuff is, inaccurate.

God made us...Now, if I could get a hold of the complete bible in its entirety, I'm sure there is a part in there where God created OTHER humans besides Adam and Eve...Because if it was just those two then others came about through incestuous relations, or what do you think?

[GaryGaulin]

Fusion in 1 chromosome pair replicates this way:

48 and 48 parents produce a 48 offspring only.

48 and 47 parents produce a 48 or 47 offspring.

47 and 47 parents produce a 48 or 47 or 46 human offspring.

48 and 46 parents produce a 47 offspring only.

47 and 46 parents produce a 47 or 46 human offspring.

46 and 46 parents produce a 46 human offspring only.

Where "human" is defined as the 46 chromosome genome design that separates us from 48 then there was a first human couple in our ancestry..

[GaryGaulin]

There is an open access paper on this chromosome speciation:

Francisco J. Ayala and Mario Coluzzi

Colloquium Paper: Systematics and the Origin of Species: Chromosome speciation: Humans, Drosophila, and mosquitoes

PNAS 2005 102:6535-6542; published online before print April 25, 2005, doi:10.1073/pnas.0501847102

[horseinmail]

brilliant deduction...

I believe the answer has been clearly brought to light by people like

Lloyde Pye, Zecharia Sitchin and Erich Von Danikin.

We've all been brainwashed by the rediculous teachings of

religion and evolutionists to the point where most people

don't even question their senseless theories that are all based on

really bad science and wacky beliefs.

[theblackBay]

To me it looks like engineering.

But thats just me.

How you could clear this up, for one such as ignorant as myself, is to tell me how many other instances of telomere to telomere connections head to head there are in the rest of the animal kingdom?

are there lots? are these common?

Can someone answer this?

[theblackBay]

Wait, hold that buy order.

But the Connection is Head to head telomere to telomere is it not?

This seems to indeed seem a strange event in its self. And I cant see how this can be neutral?

To say that it is neutral is to say that we didnt need the extra chromosome in a sense and it just happened to head to head connect to make our 2nd.

[theblackBay]

Meh , Ill buy that for the moment,Whyness. So, cool, we aren't engineered by Alien viruses after all, pheew !

[theblackBay]

whyness, Well, i guess that is an answer but i guess what is being said here is primarily the point of telomere to telomere connection.

you are (if i understand) saying that this fusion may have been neutral to the process.

And the rest of the history of evolution was a process of tiny changes that caused us to be the individuals we are now?

[whyness]

humans only have 23 pairs of chromosomes because two of the ape chromosomes fused, I don't remember which ones they were but I'm sure a quick google search will tell you. Also you don't understand evolution it wasn't all of a sudden two humans, a whole group would eventually evolve into humans over time. One change is not likely to make breeding with another member of the same species impossible the fused chromosomes was either favored by the enviroment or neutral and got passed on through gen.