Rally for Civil Marriage, August 2009

Scenes from the LGBT Noise Raly for Civil Marriage on Sunday 9 August 2009. Over 5,000 people took to the streets of Dublin to campaign for EQUAL RIGHTS for Ireland's lesbian and gay citizens. The Civil Partnership Bill published by the Minister for Justice, Equality & Law Reform essentially legalises discrimination against Ireland's gay and lesbian people and their children.

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[cecilylovegood]

@9dunmanus: I think you may consider yourself roundly patronised. *rolls eyes*

[m1trekker]

@9dunmanus Yes lets agree to differ, I am of course not anti gays, I think it is abhorent the way gays have been treated in the past, I just oppose gay marriage and think civil partnership is preferable. As regards YouTube I have an eclectic mix of topics I comment on usually derived by clicking on something on the right hand side in a random manner. Bye for now.

[9dunmanus]

@m1trekker: Your distaste for Elton John's surrogacy arrangement is a side issue. On balance, let's just draw a line under this debate. Neither of us is going to change the other's mind. *shrug* Out of curiosity, though, what drew you here?

[m1trekker]

My distaste arises since it is not the model that society should venerate to provide stable families. Having a wealthy, gay 63 year old Elton John pay an avaricious gold digger to have his surrogate child is not healthy for society. It treats children as commodities and does not take into consider the long term impact on a child's psychology. In my experience working with such disconnected children there is an inevitable yearning for bonding with the biological parents and a search for identity.

[m1trekker]

@9dunmanus Can you reference another gay marriage upload I have commented on ? If cecilylovegood's assumptions are wrong, its not surpring the conclusions are also wrong.

[9dunmanus]

@cecilylovegood: I hadn't considered that m1trekker might be scouring for videos in this way. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt... for now. The thing is, his is exactly the kind of intransigent attitude that will hinder progress on equality. "Gay marriage will undermine society's belief in marriage" is relentlessly stated without saying HOW. The answer "gays can't procreate" is not answering what was asked. HOW will it affect marriage? You're right: his issue is probably "distaste."

[cecilylovegood]

@m1trekker: If you're not on a crusade, it seems too much like a strange coincidence that you just happened to stumble upon this video. Your use of the word "distasteful" says it all: is surrogacy only distasteful when the adoptive parents are gay? If not, we're on to a new discussion.

[m1trekker]

@cecilylovegood Illogical, mean-spirited crusade ? Someone disagrees with a viewpoint and they are on a crusade ? Not quite the PhD level I would have expected. I think the heterosexual marriage / gay civil partnership distinction is quite logical, a gay family is not natural and would rely upon surrogacy, adoption, which in themselves are very unhealthy for society; I found the Elton John/Furnish surrogacy distasteful, creating a market in children to supply gay couples, very unhealthy.

[cecilylovegood]

@m1trekker: This particular PhD takes absolutely NO issue with her MD associates being called doctors. Gay marriage will not redefine marriage. Just like allowing women to vote did not redefine voting and allowing African Americans to eat at the same lunch counter as white people did not redefine dining out.

@9dunmanus: Thanks for giving this guy enough rope with which to hang himself. He clearly trawls the net to debunk gay marriage. His is an illogical, mean-spirited crusade.

[9dunmanus]

@m1trekker: The only thing different is the gendermix (or not) of the married people. So why not have the same rights, responsibilities and privileges? Heterosexuals will continue to marry; in some cases, procreate and; in some cases, divorce. The heterosexual portion of society will not cease to partner and procreate just because another section of society has been granted full equality in this regard. Civil Partnership does NOT protect the kids of gay parents.