10 Reasons Why "Hell" is false pt 1

Note that what I mean by "hell" is the modern evangelical conception of a customized torture chamber where those who die without accepting Christ are punished for all eternity. I do not believe this is logical or biblical and this video will give just a few reasons why. Part 2 is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rLNYreLrPA


Links to for further information:

My blog: http://savagesoto.blogspot.com
Tentmaker Ministries: http://www.tentmaker.org
What the Hell is Hell: http://www.what-the-hell-is-hell.com
Hope Beyond Hell: http://www.hopebeyondhell.net
Sigler Ministries: http://sigler.org/

Merciful Truth: http://www.mercifultruth.com

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[bioflex12]

Now verse 11 says : And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Did u get that?. for ever and ever.

- Again you fail at comparing Hitler to God. How do you justify Hitler's actions, after all didnt God make us?. Matthew 12 : 31 says whose ever sins against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven right?.

Everlasting fire for the devil and those who oppose God

[SotoBaggins]

@bioflex12 Well you are free to believe what you want to. As I've stated before, the words (aion/aionios) for "forever" such as in Revelation 14:9-11 can be literally translated as "age" which is a period of time with a start and an END, it can also be seen in the sense of quality, an eternal quality having nothing to do with time at all. As for Matthew 12:31, I think it just means one will be punished for blasphemy...it doesnt mean God wont forgive them in a general sense for all literal time

[bioflex12]

-Again do you realize that Jesus didnt just die. He now has the key of death and of hell. His resurrection assures us that even though we die in our flesh now, he is able to raise us up at the last day.

- Now read Matthew 25 : 41 - Everlasting fire prepared for the devils and his angels. Now u do realize that even though the devil influences us to do evil things we are the very ones that do them, so why do u think he deserves a much worse punishment than us. He does not.

- Revelation 14 : 9 -11

[bioflex12]

U fail really hard.

- In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. This marks the beginning of time. Before then time really didnt matter. That is why Jesus said all who believe in HIm would receive eternal life. That means it is a period where time as we know now is not observed.

- Jesus takes away the sin of the world. He takes the sins of those who want Him to, those who believe in Him, those who acknowledge him as their savior. Not just anybody, Read John 3 : 16

[driffterr]

@SotoBaggins i've never heard it explained this way.. hmm but what it's most important is having the relationship with the Father.. the rest will follow.

[SotoBaggins]

@driffterr From my perspective, "everlasting life" doesnt have much to do with the afterlife, but rather describes a quality of life here and now. In john 17:3 jesus says that eternal life is to "know God", so to me its about having a relationship with the divine here and now, not necessarily immortality in Heaven. Therefore to "perish" is to be "lost" (another way to translate the word apollumi) in ones sins apart from the divine nature, as opposed to eternal torment in a literal place

[driffterr]

@SotoBaggins hmm i mightn't found the smoking gun. Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have " everlasting" life.. The same Greek word is used here for Everlasting as "aionios" .. My question is, in this context, Why would God give us a "temporary" life if he doesnt want us to perish, ... why do it in the first place if it's only going to last a short time?

[SotoBaggins]

@driffterr Some scholars say that, others say the concept of literal forever is practically absent from the bible. I think its interesting though that you are talking about this like eternal torment is just a fact, and we have to accept it. No one knows whether it is or isnt, otherwise there wouldnt be room for debate lol. It would be like debating whether gravity is useful or not.

[driffterr]

@SotoBaggins the Hebrews viewed the concept of time differently than westerners view..perhaps that is how Greeks also viewd time x When the Hbrws say "ages of ages" it's eternal in their understanding vs English language forever and ever. which both are correct for the meaning of eternal. It's hard to see a Loving God punish so harshly, but God sees the world differently, and he hates sin, and how he will deal with sin, it may not be logical to us but to God it is 1of us will be right one day.

[SotoBaggins]

@driffterr But how do you know this a proper context? How do you ever really know for certain what the author intended, yet alone (and more importantly) what God intended? As far as I can tell, its a big guessing game so if I'm going to guess, I will guess that an eternal place of torment is probably not something a God of love would create. I also dont negate the existence of "Hell", I just dont see it as a literal place where people are tormented for literal eternity. Thats disgusting