Point d'orgue - Cochereau ( part 2 )

27.12.1959. This originates from www.ina.fr

Category:

Music

Tags:

• Cochereau
• organ
• orgue
• Notre Dame
• improvisation

[polsterj]

Unbelieveable how great this Instrument once was! But also the Cochereau-organ was no Cavaillé-Coll any more, and the present organ even less. It doesn't even sound like a french organ!

[VepresduCommun]

This material is unique. What a difference with the present console (ugly) and especially with the present sound (harsh and loud). I can only regret the modifications made in the second half of the twentieth century.

But, the more precious is this fragment!

[Hauptwerkgek]

@polsterj I don't have a problem with the fact that we have two different organs now.

Of course it isn't a 100 % Cavaille- Coll anymore but it's still a very nice an french sounding instrument.

It also inspired a lot of famous organists to improvise music on a very high level, in other words this instrument

in combination with a good organist creates art, and therfore it is a fine instrument.

[polsterj]

@Hauptwerkgek It doesn't sound like Cavaille-Coll when we assume that the original CC sound was similar to Saint-Sulpice, and the Saint-Sulpice IS much different and sounds much more balanced and better, I heard both in person last weekend.

[Hauptwerkgek]

@polsterj present organ even less??? what are you talking about? to me it sounds french again. But to be honest I liked it more as it was in Cochereau's time. But it is still a very nice and truly french sounding instrument.

[Hauptwerkgek]

@polsterj present organ even less??? what are you talking about? to me it sounds french again. But to be honest I liked it more as it was in Cochereau's time. But it is still a very nice and trully french sounding instrument.

[ROGLIANO]

Ah il avait fière allure le Cavaillé de Notre Dame avant que l'on commence à y engloutir des millions ...

[rosaspon2007]

¡¡¡¡God bless you chamade216, excellent, saludos desde Buenos Aires....

[rosaspon2007]

Dios lo tenga en la gloria a monsieur Pierre Cochereau. El organo de Notre Dame de Pais estaba mejor con esa consola original...

[ds1868]

To be honest, the organ doesn't sound in great shape here either. I think it's pointless talking about a hark back to the 1868 Cavaille-Coll.As polsterj says C-C retained a great deal of Clicquot stops, notably the reeds and mixtures, in most of his big 'rebuilds'. I happen to think that Pierre Cochereau got it 'right' in the 60s by retaining what was there but adding the chamades, but the latest rebuild is all wrong: this is now an Anglo-American organ and it doesn't sound right at all.

[polsterj]

@Coranglais8 Well, Cavaillé-Coll used old material in all his grand organs (Notre-Dame, Saint-Sulpice, Toulouse, Rouen), I think old stops belong to the style of CC.

[Coranglais8]

@polsterj

The question is if it ever was a real Cavaillé-Coll, because CC re-used a lot of Clicquot stops. But when you listen to the foundation stops 16' 8' 4' you know it is Cavaillé-Coll!