State Of The Gaps Fallacy

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[amcnea]

Wait, if the default position is neutrality and proof must be provided, then it would be fallacy to assume service X can be provided without a state. That is, if X is already currently being provided by a state. As that has already been proven.

Service X may or may not be able to be provided without a state, but it is known that service X can be provided by a state. So, by your own logic, your argument doesn't really hold up. So, get better logic.

[JacobSpinney]

@amcnea That is beyond the scope of this video. This video was merely meant to show that even if something has yet to be proven, that does not speak of its truth or falsity. Is X being provided by the state at the highest quality and lowest price? THIS has not been proven, since states refuse to try any legitimate experimentation into stateless solutions.

[eagleeye1975]

The opposite is also true... just because the the free market can provide something, doesn't mean that government can't do it as well (or better even)... /devilsadvocate

[JacobSpinney]

@eagleeye1975 True, but there are plenty of valid arguments that can indeed be used for why the government would do it worse. It's just that the argument that "lack of proof that it can is therefore proof it can't" is definitely not one of those valid arguments.

[DKshad0w]

No Jacob, the State is the default position. Look at how complex civilization is, there must be a designer i.e the State.

[YaHuWaHservant]

@DKshad0w How has that designer worked out this year with this designer being raged against by it's subjects all over the world?

[PissedFechtmeister]

@UtubeMyAccountName Google Xeer. That is the Somalia justice system that existed prior to the existence of the state and is now used in the absence of the state (to a lesser degree it even existed when there was a state).

[PissedFechtmeister]

It's commonly argued that without a State society will degenerate into chaos and mankind would wipe itself out. I have to wonder why that didn't happen the first 190,000 years of human existence.

[LittlePOPLolli]

I like your voice =]

[lashkaretoiba]

Spinney just went super saiyan on richard dawkins original idea in this video.

[amcnea]

@shadowgeyser

"You believe X cannot be provided without a state because the state has provided X for so long"

No I don't I specifically stated, "Service X may or may not be able to be provided without a state"

"Further, you seem to be implying that even if X could be provided without a state, we should continue having X provided by the state"

I never implied such a thing.

Perhaps you should re-read my post? And try not injecting preconceptions into my post.

[amcnea]

@shadowgeyser

Umm, no I'm not. Perhaps you should try looking that up.

[billburns2]

OK

However without the onus of proof you can't start to extrapolate any theory, right?

That would be like building a house on sand.

[CaitiffFTW]

@UtubeMyAccountName I already answered that one. It was already a monopoly prior to being sanctioned by the US government.

And, what happens after being broken has no effect on what what hapened when it was around.