Penrose + Bohm = Jung?

What do depth psychology, Bohm's notion of the "implicate order" and quantum mind theory have in common?

When Penrose's Orch-OR and Bohm's implicate order are combined Jung appears to be the result. Is this conclusion valid or this is just a "spooky coincidence?" You be the judge.

References:

1.) http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/penrose-hameroff/quantumcomputation.html
2.) "Jung introduced the concept as early as the 1920s but only gave a full statement of it in 1951 in an Eranos lecture[3] and in 1952, published a paper, Synchronicity — An Acausal Connecting Principle, in a volume with a related study by the physicist (and Nobel laureate) Wolfgang Pauli." ~http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity#Description

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• Jungian psychology
• depth psychology
• archetype
• collective unconscious
• synchronicity
• Solar Phallus Man
• Wild Man
• The Wreck of the Titan
• Titanic
• spooky coincidence
• Pauli Effect
• scarab beetle
• scarab
• Orch-OR
• Penrose
• Hameroff
• quantum consciousness
• microtubule
• Objective Reduction
• Jung
• Pauli
• Carl Gustav Jung
• Wolfgang Pauli
• David Bohm
• quantum entanglement
• Implicate Order
• Explicate Order
• quantum mechanics

[ves1429]

Does David bohms theory suppose that information can travel faster than speed of light?

[JohananRaatz]

@ves1429 No although it may appear that way. Actually it renders the speed of light speed limit moot while obeying it! All information is already non-locally distributed everywhere in this model. And so there's no need to transmit information faster than light!

One might send objects (such as those neutrinos) faster than light in this model though, by transmitting their phase patterns faster than light. (phase velocity can already go faster than light, but not transmit information)

[ves1429]

@JohananRaatz ''Actually it renders the speed of light speed limit moot while obeying it!''

my questions may not have made sense.but well if you would tell me why or how speed of light limit is obeyed because it does not make sense since information is already non -locally distributed

[JohananRaatz]

@ves1429 Basically relativity tells us that no information can travel faster than light. However if the world is holographic then all information of all parts is already stored everywhere at once, and so we needn't transmit the information faster than light because it's already there. Hence by how we observe the information at one place we can determine what is happening elsewhere, or perhaps even cause one structure produced from the information to manifest elsewhere instantaneously.

[JohananRaatz]

@JohananRaatz It's the Bekenstein bound. It prevents more than one bit to exist per Planck area. However empirical information only appears after collapse. Before collapse you can have an unlimited amount of states all in superposition with each other. And since in the holographic model of the universe everything is entangled, if you collapse one state here, it will automatically fix one of the other states in superposition to appear over there upon collapse.

[sunyatajack]

This is brilliant.

[myboystyles]

You Just Blew My Fuckin' Mind..! (George Bush Accent)

[ves1429]

@JohananRaatzThnx a lot!N 1 last question if u don't mind- what keeps info from being realized non-locally at level of spacetime?n i think the experiment on neutrinos i referred 2 earlier was one where it had to do with group vel.rather than jus phase velocity.so i guess info.was seen 2 have exceeded the light speed limit in this case.if confirmed by others' work as well,won't this actually give evidence to the theory u are subscribing to??i am waiting to see results by other scientists on this.

[ves1429]

@JohananRaatz So is it practically possible to alter the phase patterns like that ?? But will we be able to register the information since we are limited by our perception(relativity i guess)

[ves1429]

would the recent experiment which apparently showed neutrino to be traveling faster than speed of light take anything away from these models?