Follow up to Drama

This is a follow up to my last video, where I talk about all the shit I didn't want to talk about, but everyone else did.

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[sonnygll]

@TheNakedAtheist

Again it's not really a question of justification.

How he sees it has everything to do with his intentions.

I am not surprised he took it the way he did. He felt attacked because of the videos TF was making about Muslims. So of course he took it that way. Same reason why TF took DF comment as an unconditional threat, he felt his fears about Muslims were being confirmed. So I think it's an understandable mistake given the situation.

[TheNakedAtheist]

(cont)

biased against TF, would see it that way if he spun it that way.

[TheNakedAtheist]

@sonnygll

But in the video you are justifying it. Your are saying that since DF believes what TF said equates to a threat to kill innocents, he is justified in making the threat he made because he sees it as self defense. How he sees it is irrelevant. The important point is whether it's reasonable for him to see it that way. And reasonable people can have different opinions on that. I think he simply took advantage of the fact that some, particularly those who were already

(cont)

[sonnygll]

@TheNakedAtheist

I think "justified" is a mischaracterization. What they thought, is what they thought, even if most of us might think it was stupid. So it's not that they are justified, so much as we can understand they took it the wrong way.

This of course applies much less to a literal statement. However this metaphor could really bring up any sort of WW2 related ideas, and associations thereof. So it takes on the meaning of whatever is in the listeners mind.

[TheNakedAtheist]

@sonnygll-It means whatever TF meant by "awaken the sleeping giant", or at least what people THOUGHT he meant, which could be mistaken.

That implies that however someone interprets a statement or act (no matter how unreasonable that interpretation might be) they are justified in responding based on that interpretation.

[sonnygll]

@TheNakedAtheist

It means whatever TF meant by "awaken the sleeping giant", or at least what people THOUGHT he meant, which could be mistaken. I thought it was just jingoist bluster, and therefore meant nothing at all, but that's just my personal opinion. I thought it was all bluster and bullshit from two people who were never going to do anything in the first place.

[TheNakedAtheist]

@sonnygll-It sounds like you are grasping at straws so you don't have to accept that TF stirs up drama and demonizes people in a very deceptive way.

I've conceded that point previously. TF may very well have believed Ali didn't mean it the way he said it but he used his own words, and very successfully, to fuck him over, and make him the poster boy for Islamic stupidity, but that still doesn't change the obvious meaning of what he said. lol

[TheNakedAtheist]

@sonnygll

It's a conditional threat for sure, and DF is clearly with the "if you ever" part saying the conditions have yet to be met. Explain how "If you try to awaken" can mean anything other than "if you try to awaken". I've yet to hear any argument that makes it mean anything else except for DF's claim, but that only changes what he meant, not what he said.

[sonnygll]

@TheNakedAtheist

I don't know how anyone can have so much certainty about these metaphors.

Here is one thing we do know. DF statement was conditional. That's a very strange way to threaten someone, It's also negated if the condition isn't met. If TF was not threatening, the condition will never be met thereby negating what DF said.

It sounds like you are grasping at straws so you don't have to accept that TF stirs up drama and demonizes people in a very deceptive way.

[TheNakedAtheist]

Continued...

And that's not because they are ignoring rational arguments, but because it's impossible to make what you said mean something else using them. You're expecting people to take your word for it on faith. While faith might be something you value as a virtue, most atheists don't.