SF Anarchist bookfair: My conversation with Barry Pateman

he is one of the more interesting persons I talked to yesterday. I'll be posting more footage in the next few days.

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[brainpolice2]

Angry Canuck = ignorant troll with no idea about political philosophy.

[buddhagem]

You don't believe because you're woefully ignorant of what's going on in the real world. The Anarchist Book Fairs are getting larger and larger every year. Anarchists from a wide range of sub sects are working together on a number of different issues. Communism exists today? Again you tell us how little you know about the these things.

[ALTERED13TH]

@slackmason There is something from the Puffington Magic Dragon Post about the bitches in VC, BC Type in riots-london-comparison-police into their search box. And since you are so aware I am sure you saw all of the photos of the spoiled, rich punks arrested in London. Check out the Independent and type in europe/faces-of-riot-accused-s­tudents-wealthy-teenager-and-b­oy. Many Muslim terrorists are spoiled bitches too like Osama Bitch Laden.

[slackmason]

@ALTERED13TH Also, what initiated all the riots I listed before were acts of extreme police brutality. not "spoiled rich punks", In fact, I DARE you to find a way to even identify a single "spoiled rich punk" participating in the English riots. making those kinds of statement and assumptions is just a convenient way for you to dismiss the genuine problems of social stratification inherent with western style capitalist democratic states. .

[slackmason]

@ALTERED13TH I don't know how YOU define impact, but the historical events I mentioned where quite important in their time and place. And are still being studied as important and relevant attempts at organizing libertarian socialist societies, and yes, the Kibbutz are considered Libertarian Socialist communities. Are Anarchists like Chomsky and Zin having an impact on society, or Allan Moore? How about the Common Ground collective that provided free health care to victims of Katrina?

[ALTERED13TH]

@slackmason First, thanks for making my point about anarchists being a tiny fringe with no measurable impact on society with your obscure references from 1918 and 1936. The Kibbutz could hardly be called anarchist or much of an impact on society, including in Israel even.  What initiated the riots were spoiled, mostly young punks pissed off about losing money from the welfare state. Just as many terrorists like Osama were spoiled, rich mentally ill asswipes, so are the punks rioting.

[slackmason]

@ALTERED13TH "the riots are mostly spoiled punks..." < Can you link a source for that fact? do you recall what initiated the riots? Or the riots in Greece? or the riots in LA in '92? Watts? what is the common thread there? If it were a sports riot, you might have a point. Now, examples of working Anarchism: Spain 1936, Ukraine 1918, Isreali Kibbutz movement, occupation movement in Argentina. and endless examples of Anarchist methods of organizing improving peoples lives in emergencies ...

[ALTERED13TH]

@slackmason No, the riots are mostly spoiled punks in the industrialized world acting like asswipes. Has nothing to do with authority or oppression. About the closet this planet has ever come to trying anarchy are the many countries of Africa where violence, oppression and murder of various minorities is rather routine. Move there and let me know how you like it.

[slackmason]

@ALTERED13TH Didn't I already explain how you are wrong about the impact Anarchists have had on society? Anger and Destruction (by which I assume you mean the riots, which have NOTHING to do with the viability of Anarchist politics, economics or philosophy) are a reaction to authority, not excessive liberty. Democracy can really only result in the repression of minority classes in society. many minorities are politically unable to achieve just recognition and equal treatment.

[ALTERED13TH]

@slackmason Okay, so anger begets anger and destruction begets destruction, so I don't think anarchy is the way to go. That is why anarchists have had little to no impact on society. I am not sure what political isoliation is in a democracy. I think cultural and societal isolation is more prevalent and due to the spoiling of the poor by the welfare plantations designed to exploit them.

[slackmason]

@ALTERED13TH You have nothing but generalizations to make. I have a generalization myself, the only wealthy people that riot are the police. ..............AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA­nd I'm done, arguing in this limited format is annoying. You got youtube, search around and see what the people on the street are saying,

[ALTERED13TH]

@slackmason Most of the assholes rioting in England were spoiled rich punks and the poor in Western Europe and America are spoiled by the welfare states created by the liberal asshole political class to exploit them.