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@vorjay i have to c the lyle fight . ill get back to u on dat
everlastking 1 year ago
@vorjay don't think Ali was god on earth. chuvalo's remarks about Ali's kidneys are unfounded and forgets the incredible damage Ali did to his face. Ali fights again right after the chuvalo fight. Frazier is still very angry at ali and has said some things to build himself up. the eye I doubt. Read Ghosts of Manila. Frazier has a right to be angry with Ali but he goes to far. Frazier lost to Ali twice but inflicted serious damage more so than any other fighter ali faced.
powmongo 1 year ago
@powmongo dude...I'm done. You know it all...you're right. Ali was god on earth. He was just playing possum in his Ron Lyle fight. You can hit a guy a few hundred times in the face a night and not damage your hands. Frazier and his Trainer were very famously dishonest people and lied about Frazier being partially blind in one eye, and more importantly you can get hit by a guy like Chuvalo that many times in the kidneys and not piss urine (even though Chuvalo biographers say Ali did go).
vorjay 1 year ago
@vorjay There is nothing or no one that says Ali's hands were damaged because of his fighting style. Ferdie Pacheco states several times in Thomas Hauser's biography and in the Doc the whole Story that ali's hands developed calcium deposits in his hands due to the long layoff then flury of activity in his comeback. It was due to the layoff. not his style. I doubt Frazier was partially blind during most of his career and so do others. You start trivia with me then call me a know it all? Wow.
powmongo 1 year ago
@powmongo dude you says frazier wasn't partial blind is a lie...you don't know what you'r talking about. Even fucking mayweather has bad hands due to his fighting style. If you hit a guy as many times as Ali and don't knock them out or takes to the 11, 12 or 15 round you're going to have very damaged hands....YOU ARE A KNOW IT ALL!
vorjay 1 year ago
@vorjay Your the idiot for not backing anything you say up. Ali's doctors mention Ali's condition late in his career I defy you to cite a source from Angelo Dundee or Ferdie Pacheco that Ali was seriously hurt in 60's.Do you know what the mandatory waiting period is boxing comissions now make fighters take if they are knocked out or pass urine in the blood? I also don't coach boxing but obviously know more than you. Are you going to state facts or conyinue to resort to name calling?
powmongo 1 year ago
@vorjay You couldn't be more wrong. Ali didn't damage his hands. the 3 year layoff of not fighting and then after returning to the ring his hands hurt. Pacheco says this in numerous books and the documentary the whole story. I also don't buy Frazier was blind in one eye. If he was he was very stupid. "World Champion Loser" Wow you come up with that all by yourself. Are you 10? Losers don't produce good atlhetes dip shit.
powmongo 1 year ago
@powmongo people only bring up the Frazier fight because it was the most covered of all of his post fights. Most injures aren't known unless you research them. Ali damaged his hands so bad his Doctor (Pacheco) had to inject Novocain into his hands....did you know that one? Or...how about Frazier being almost completely blind in his left eye his entire career. You're a world championship level coach...World Champion loser is what you are.
vorjay 1 year ago
@powmongo ...you're idiot. He was pissing blood several times after fights....its well documented by his doctors and the people in his entourage. You're little mind just seems to think bleeding kidneys is some intensive care like problem in which he just couldn't fight for MONTHS afterwards. ...it's actually not un-common in boxing for fighters excessively hit in the kidneys to piss urine....like Ali. IF you were a real world championship level coach you would know that.
vorjay 1 year ago
@vorjay you can't back it up. Ali fought chuvalo march 29th 1966. less than six weeks later Ali fought Henry Cooper again. do you think that would happen if he had damaged kidney's? No. Chuvalo's face was carved into a filet and one only 1 round on the judges cards. And I also agree that later in his career Ferdie did advise ali to quit especially after the fight in manila. Your not telling me anything i don't already know. So whose the clown asshole?
powmongo 1 year ago