Jan Mickelson - Bob Vander Plaats - The FAMiLY Leader
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Uploaded by TheFAMiLYLeader on Jul 26, 2011
This is an excerpt from Jan Mickelson's hour long presentation recorded 7-23-11 at the 'How Now Shall We Govern' event run by Veritas Group, LLC.
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@Stan597 Bullshit, our entire country was based on laws without god. Or do we kill n that cheat on their husbands? Hitler USED god to get the power he had. Don't act like god had no part in what happened in Nazi Germany. God WAS part of the Nazis plan.
BTW, couldn't god have stopped the nazis, IF he wanted to?
Rushtrdamus 2 months ago
@Rushtrdamus Right and wrong decided by who, you? A man made standard for right and wrong without God? That was tried before. A ruler said what I say is right, is right and what I say is wrong, is wrong. His name was Hitler; he gave the Jews the rights he decided they deserved.
Stan597 3 months ago
@Stan597 - research from various credible sources over many years prove that the western church is immersed in a crisis of Bible illiteracy at an all time level. Expository Bible teaching of the Word of God from the pulpits of our churches have been replaced with "faith systems" that offer little or no theological instruction = no understanding. A majority of churchgoers now reject key Christian doctrines that are obvious to the understanding of biblical Christianity. Church leaders = fail!!
alleyhse 3 months ago
@Rushtrdamus - no your misunderstanding what I meant by "nature in the last post. I didn't mean "nature" as the physical, material, or nature world in that sentence. I meant "nature" as the aspect or by way of an institution created by God. It was probably a poor choice of a word to use and I apologize for the misunderstanding.
alleyhse 3 months ago
@Stan597 BTW, don't think I didn't notice that you asked for an example and I gave you one, and you ignored it. Simply not wanting to see reality doesn't make that reality any less true. Closing your eyes and saying LALALALALALALALA doesn't make the bad things you perceive, go away.
Rushtrdamus 3 months ago
@Stan597 Not pretending, READING, the bible. Don't blame me for simply pointing out what YOUR religious text says. If I've lied in any way, point it out, until then, kiss my ass.
No, my life is just fine without christianity or any other religion, I simply can't stand HYPOCRISY. Tell you what, you worry about YOUR life and everyone else worries about theirs. That's your real problem, you can't allow others to choose a different path than you. I don't believe in sin, only right or wrong
Rushtrdamus 3 months ago
@Rushtrdamus So are you trying to pretend that rape and slavery are endorsed by Christianity? Can you name a preacher that say's that? A Christian who claims that? Do you think running down Christianity will make your life better? Will it make you feel less guilty about your sins? It won't, I know from personnel experience. I will pray for you.
Stan597 3 months ago
@alleyhse WTF? Was that english?"MARRIAGE" exists in NATURE? "Govt." exists in nature? FUCKING "NATIONALISM" exists in NATURE????? You really nee a lesson on whatis NATURAL and what isn't. Marriage is man-made, PERIOD. Nations don't exist in nature. I mean really, are you retarded or simply so biased by your beliefs that you make shit up? My kids have enough sense to see what you're saying is utter bullshit, and one is 9.
Rushtrdamus 3 months ago
@alleyhse Why were blacks allowed to marry in the 60's? Men have done and still do some fucked up things. Jan is an example. Bigotry and zealotry will exist as long as religion does.
And I'm not sure if you know this, but Rome allowed homosexuallity, Greece, etc.
Rushtrdamus 3 months ago
@Stan597 OK. You asked for it. "(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT) ...You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance."
"(Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB) I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished" That's just one of each. If you need more to REALLY believe, just let me know.
The proof is with me, that's for sure. Have you truely read the bible? you seem to have missed some stuff
Rushtrdamus 3 months ago