Permaculture philosophy: Sepp Holzer vs. David Holmgren

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This is me at the Missoula public library answering questions after we watched a Sepp Holzer movie.

I'm trying to describe the general approach of David Holmgren vs. the general approach of Sepp Holzer.

Relevant threads at permies:

http://www.permies.com/permaculture-forums/3734_20/permaculture/different-per...

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• missoula
• sepp holzer
• david holmgren
• eco
• green
• permaculture
• organic
• sustainability
• garden

[4cysmith]

I believe (and I think the principles of permaculture agree with me), that every person has unique land, climate and plant-based challenges and their own individual dreams and goals, which makes everybody's "permaculture" their OWN permaculture. Like I always say, "There are as many ways to compost as there are composters."

[ninyae]

@EKWisner Well, I did a PDC and realised it was just the first step and an ecological eye opener, so I then went and did horticulture and now work with long term hort people and I listen to them and learn. I have also spent time with a farmer not far from where I live and learnt pruning from him. My experience has been that most permies realise that they have a lot to learn, particularly in the practical sense. A PDC can open up the door to that world of learning, if one is ready.

[ninyae]

What's this versus business? Competition is for the corporates.

[AttillaTheNunn]

The "fundamentalist permaculturists" are doing themselves no favour by alienating Sepp Holzer with trivialities regarding nomenclature technicalities. They need more people like him as allies to their cause.

[jammatoonarmy]

sepp's some boy

[cursedwyvern]

Kinda cute, and the enthusiasm for agri theory is dead sexy.

On a side note, second the idea that mr holzer should just call his practices an unpronounceable German word for us all to stumble over yet think, dang, that's some great German engineering.

[disndat11]

Just as a side note, please click on the advertisement a few times, so the poster gets a bit of money. Or at least that's how I think it works.

[dunklaw]

Sepp Holzer is great - a true permculturist/biotopist. It's really about LOCAL observation and action - what works for us where we live. Jeff Lawton puts it this way - keen observation and then 90% meaningful thinking and 10% meaningful work.

[EKWisner]

If I could teach permies one thing, it would be to find an old farmer (esp. an old organic grower, rancher, or orchard manager), listen, and nod.

Old farmers, by which I mean farmers who were born to it and have made a go of it for a couple of decades or more, tend to know a helluva lot about land, plants, and animals.

Much more than your average "I read this giant book and took a 6-weekend course" Permie Designer, or even the career landscaper who plans it, plants it, and moves on.

[541treehugger]

I never heard of Sepp Holzer until you were on Jack's survivalpodcast. I'm glad you did that because you opened up a whole new world to me, and a bunch of us.