"just gave you a name of a student, plus soke has writings from toda"
i will work fast to authenticate your claims.
and even kacem says the densho are written by takamatsu. there are some that we know are written by ishitani, and there is another from some OTHER person, that you are ASSUMING is Toda,
funny, he 'goes by' masamitsu shinryuken, but nobody ever heard him 'go by' that...
this is why the koryu societies gave takamatsu the pass... he can't prove it...
"we didn't lose anything, he went by "Toda Shinryuken Masamitsu"'
then why has nobody else ever heard of this guy???
no tax records? i thought he ran a dojo....
" why are to to blame? That's all that was given too us, we can't help it he used a warrior name."
so you only have what you were GIVEN??
but this is the Soke's teachers teacher.... your lack of curiosity itself is evidence against your school having ANY sort of ninjutsu( intelligence agent)...
"small portions of the bugei ryuha daijiten are speculation by the author and the public, but only small portions."
so if the BRD is a list of proven facts, which edition do we find the real lineage of togakure ryu in???
there are 3 different entries, all quite different... the first even claims 10 of the bansenshukai's 11 most famous shinobi page, ALL were holders of Togakure ryu...
kuki takei, i asked where you got this from, its source. takamatsu is dead, try again
"if you guys have lost the name of your lineage holder from modern to koryu cutoff date, how much else have you lost???"
we didn't lose anything, he went by "Toda Shinryuken Masamitsu" why are to to blame? That's all that was given too us, we can't help it he used a warrior name.
"or several years, everybody challenged has remained unable to provide any actual evidence of toda masamitsu shinryuken" just gave you a name of a student, plus soke has writings from toda
@TheHumbleNinja i have been after these sorts of tough answers, to these questions, and getting the citations to prove it, for several years, everybody challenged has remained unable to provide any actual evidence of toda masamitsu shinryuken...
we need his real name,,, it isn't masamitsu, and shinryuken is a 'warrior name' ....
if you guys have lost the name of your lineage holder from modern to koryu cutoff date, how much else have you lost???
@Arteanor "funny, i have heard this claimed... never seen any paperwork on him or these students... nobody can manage to show them, strange hmm? almost as if they were fictional...."
Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean its not real. I haven't seen you but that doesn't mean your not a real person. Look in the bugei ryuha daijiten, it clearly states, his connection to the well known jujutsu school as well too 3 other schools. Also a member of the kuki family was a student at Toda's dojo
"He was the soke of a very well known jujutsu school with documented students. the real question is, was he the soke of ninjutsu schools?"
funny, i have heard this claimed... never seen any paperwork on him or these students... nobody can manage to show them, strange hmm? almost as if they were fictional....
"I wan't you to find those "forms from karate" in the bujinkan curriculum for me."
they are takamatsu's words from his letter... Kukishinden Zensho... will send the page.
@Arteanor hatsumi knows about it, kacem is the historian, its his job to go authenticate the grave.its not a big deal for hatsumi, he already knows Toda existed. He was the soke of a very well known jujutsu school with documented students. the real question is, was he the soke of ninjutsu schools?
I will work on the pictures of the grave but, in return I wan't you to find those "forms from karate" in the bujinkan curriculum for me.
hayyaaaaawww wwhooooo!...
Freaks XD
abcdswo 6 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja
"just gave you a name of a student, plus soke has writings from toda"
i will work fast to authenticate your claims.
and even kacem says the densho are written by takamatsu. there are some that we know are written by ishitani, and there is another from some OTHER person, that you are ASSUMING is Toda,
funny, he 'goes by' masamitsu shinryuken, but nobody ever heard him 'go by' that...
this is why the koryu societies gave takamatsu the pass... he can't prove it...
Arteanor 8 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja
"we didn't lose anything, he went by "Toda Shinryuken Masamitsu"'
then why has nobody else ever heard of this guy???
no tax records? i thought he ran a dojo....
" why are to to blame? That's all that was given too us, we can't help it he used a warrior name."
so you only have what you were GIVEN??
but this is the Soke's teachers teacher.... your lack of curiosity itself is evidence against your school having ANY sort of ninjutsu( intelligence agent)...
your job is to know.
Arteanor 8 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja
"small portions of the bugei ryuha daijiten are speculation by the author and the public, but only small portions."
so if the BRD is a list of proven facts, which edition do we find the real lineage of togakure ryu in???
there are 3 different entries, all quite different... the first even claims 10 of the bansenshukai's 11 most famous shinobi page, ALL were holders of Togakure ryu...
kuki takei, i asked where you got this from, its source. takamatsu is dead, try again
Arteanor 8 months ago
@Arteanor
"if you guys have lost the name of your lineage holder from modern to koryu cutoff date, how much else have you lost???"
we didn't lose anything, he went by "Toda Shinryuken Masamitsu" why are to to blame? That's all that was given too us, we can't help it he used a warrior name.
"or several years, everybody challenged has remained unable to provide any actual evidence of toda masamitsu shinryuken" just gave you a name of a student, plus soke has writings from toda
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
@Arteanor
"BRD is a list of CLAIMS, not proven facts."
small portions of the bugei ryuha daijiten are speculation by the author and the public, but only small portions. "name?"
Kuki Takei "source?"
Takamatsu, he trained with him. That's when he started to get connections with the kuki family, I believe.
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja i have been after these sorts of tough answers, to these questions, and getting the citations to prove it, for several years, everybody challenged has remained unable to provide any actual evidence of toda masamitsu shinryuken...
we need his real name,,, it isn't masamitsu, and shinryuken is a 'warrior name' ....
if you guys have lost the name of your lineage holder from modern to koryu cutoff date, how much else have you lost???
how can it even be a full transmission?
Arteanor 8 months ago
@Arteanor "funny, i have heard this claimed... never seen any paperwork on him or these students... nobody can manage to show them, strange hmm? almost as if they were fictional...."
Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean its not real. I haven't seen you but that doesn't mean your not a real person. Look in the bugei ryuha daijiten, it clearly states, his connection to the well known jujutsu school as well too 3 other schools. Also a member of the kuki family was a student at Toda's dojo
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago
@TheHumbleNinja
"He was the soke of a very well known jujutsu school with documented students. the real question is, was he the soke of ninjutsu schools?"
funny, i have heard this claimed... never seen any paperwork on him or these students... nobody can manage to show them, strange hmm? almost as if they were fictional....
"I wan't you to find those "forms from karate" in the bujinkan curriculum for me."
they are takamatsu's words from his letter... Kukishinden Zensho... will send the page.
Arteanor 8 months ago
@Arteanor hatsumi knows about it, kacem is the historian, its his job to go authenticate the grave.its not a big deal for hatsumi, he already knows Toda existed. He was the soke of a very well known jujutsu school with documented students. the real question is, was he the soke of ninjutsu schools?
I will work on the pictures of the grave but, in return I wan't you to find those "forms from karate" in the bujinkan curriculum for me.
TheHumbleNinja 8 months ago