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[observer9670]

I was hoping they would have done a follow-up at the end of the series finale.  Bartlet and Santos impatiently waiting for one more "dignitary", who arrived late - Governor Sam Seaborn of California. Bartlet and Santos could have teased him: "After all the campaigning we did for you last year..." :-)

[profoundpasta]

I wish Sam was here

[LYLS3637]

@tfn105

According to Lawrence O'Donnell in the New York Times, Vinick was supposed to win indicating the common shifts of political power in modern America. After Spencer's death though, it was agreed that the audience shouldn't suffer two major loses at the end of the series.

[tfn105]

@OcTorthed Plus if you freeze it at 1:54 you can see Jimmy Smit's black hair briefly (and this was aired prior to John Spencer's death)

[tfn105]

@OcTorthed Unfortunately that's a common - but false - rumour. What the writers at the time actually said was that they enjoyed writing a presidential race where they could potentially enjoy either nominee winning. However it was always going to be Santos winning. What they did change was the manner Santos won, for obvious reasons.

[OcTorthed]

@tfn105 I forgot where I read it, but apparently when this episode was written (before John Spencer/Leo McGarry's death) Vinick was supposed to win, so either Josh joined the Vinick campaign on was simply outside and alerted the Bartlett that the current President had arived

[Surlish]

@MegaObserver1 - John Ensign was on Ways and Means as a freshman Congressman. So while its unlikely, you cannot say its impossible.

[tfn105]

@GoodwillieGoodwillie Hmm... not sure about that. Like I said in my previous comment, there's a big difference between being a lawyer for the president and being a senior political aide who helps shape and control the political agenda. Josh is a Democrat through and through and his ideology is incompatible with the Republicans. And anyway, when he says he'll be in his office six presidents from now, there's nothing there to suggest he doesn't mean irrespective of political party

[GoodwillieGoodwillie]

@tfn105 I'm not sure there's "no earthly way". Josh lives and breathes national politics, and he'd give a lot to stay in it. There's a line in Isaac and Ishmael that ends: "I'm gonna be in my office six Presidents from now, Wile E. Coyote and a map." Josh wasn't being completely serious, but he wasn't just joking, either. Leo says at one point that Bartlet "likes smart people who disagree with him"; if a Republican President came along with a similar philosophy, wouldn't Josh be a damn good fit?

[cbrooks0911]

@observer9670

Good suggestion

[jamie32501]

There are definetly problems with this scene (continuity, giving away future plots, ect.) but it makes one hell of an opening for the series. Shame they couldn't have got Sam and maybe Mandy in for old times sake.